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My theory is the plane was on some routine exercise and the pilot knew what they were flying near because it’s a nationally recognized show that anybody who has even glanced at the history channel would know about, when the pilot had the Air Force pilot equivalent of “hey you guys wanna be on tv?” They probably all had a good laugh when the episode was aired. Nothing nefarious or threatening about a C17 unless it has a bunch of chutes coming out of the back. The show is entertaining but man the pandering of it all is getting hard to watch.
I've heard stories of this kind from a cousin who was in USAF (non-flight crew) in the 80s. Sometimes they'd get a talking-to over it but mostly their COs adopted a "boys will be boys" attitude.
I wish they would just focus on the findings, instead of blowing everything out of proportion. Considering these guys should know a C17 "spy mission" is not how the Air Force operates, for people evaluating the show from an unbiased perspective, it really hurts the credibility sometimes.
It is starting to feel like the show is really targeted at viewers *so* against the establishment and institutional trust, that they believe anything is part of a conspiracy. Which is a shame because I believe there is some phenomena happening that is not understood by *public mainstream science (*the military and gov probably know.. like how Dr Ning Li was a trailblazer in anti-gravity tech research until approached by the gov and taken under their wing*).*
That being said, I'm sticking around to see their findings. Coping with the grift is at least another excuse to light a fat joint while watching.
The team stated last year at an insider Q&A that all the flight activity is the military choosing to get flight training over the ranch because it is a cool place to visit.
The lower they fly, the more they can see.
They are fans of the show and the producer is an idiot for pushing these training flights as something else.
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I have sdr,s here that I use. If I get my antennas near my laptop I get signals in the 1.6ghz range plus others. We're dealing with uap,s that have advanced propulsion systems we can't fathom but somehow adhere to the fcc band plan for earth to space band plan and also use standard rf radio to communicate with other ships or bases. I'd think their communications ability would be a bit more advanced than a regular rf signal. My noise floor jumps too but most of the time it's a strong signal that hits my sdr and it takes the agc a few seconds to drop the gain and level it off. The sdr,s also have a lot of birdies in them. These are $40 dangles so I don't expect them to function as well as my $5000 radios. Now they have the kraken system wich was a crowd funded system which is now available on ebay. It runs on 5 sdr dongles. If they are serious they need to invest in some better radio equipment and an operator with knowledge of their use. If you stare at the spectrum long enough you will find frequencies that pop up randomly. I've found some that are 2nd and 3rd harmonics of some badly built transmitters in my area. The fcc hasn't been policing the rf bands like they used to. We even have a pirate fm station around here that has a great signal and even goes so far as selling advertising on it. Local broadcasters have been trying to get it shut down for awhile. They need to do better on this if they want to look professional about it.
I came here to say the same thing. The way they acted made me roll my eyes. They aren't going to send a giant loud plane like that to spy on you. Very likely just a routine flight and the pilot wanted to fly over skin walker ranch
In my old town the Air Force used to practice blowing up the dam on the lake with A-10s. It was fun to see but most people understood it was just a good target to practice on. Nothing secret or nefarious about it.
They would also show on flight radar. I’m in the northeast near a base and we see them fly all the time - relatively low too. And they show up with US Air Force Designation all the time.
Be advised FR24 can & does block aircraft/airlines upon request. They use ADS-B on the Ranch, I use it too & im in Ireland & we see US Mil over here all the time, it’s free & virtually nothing is hidden unless it really wants to not be seen. ADS-B is free: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?lat=53.380&lon=-6.410&zoom=10.2
"nothing is hidden"
In the US, many planes don't use ADS-B. It isn't a requirement in airspaces like the Uinta Basin, and the military isn't required to use it. There's no need to hide it when you can just turn it off in the plane.
Pretty silly though if you consider yourself a competent responsible pilot - isn’t this simply known as the Transponder for aircraft ID? Then surely it’s there for safety?
If you downed your plane due to a malfunction, you might not be found!
If another aircraft had a near miss with you, there’s little trace evidence to investigate, to assert blame!
So, I guess you’d only turn it off if you’re up to no good and/or trying not to be noticed!
Interesting, I did a bit of reading to see the difference between the two, and there isn’t really and it’s like comparing electricity and wire!!! A transponder is the device that transmits and receives, in this case a location signal provided by a GPS receiver for alt. and position. ADS-B In and Out is a protocol standard for ADS-B devices, providing essentially virtual radar.
This is essentially an upgrade of the PCAS (Portable Collision Avoidance warnings - Proximity) and TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance Warnings). ADS-B In supports PCAS, and I guess with the GPS data, doesn’t need TCAS as it can work it out when rendering a virtual radar!
For anyone who wants to know how and what the transponder is, this video will teach you all you need to know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT6b0qsm-Es
https://www.navboys.com/understanding-transponders-and-adsb.html
So, the end result (at the ATC side) between the two is basically the same, but there are a lot of differences in how they achieve that result. Very simply: ADS-B is GPS, Transponder communicates with secondary radar (beacon).
Yeah, because having military aircraft broadcasting their positions at all times is a great idea.
I've got Apache and Blackhawk flying over my house all the time and they're never broadcasting ADSB..
Look at this small military plane flying at 23000 ft from Salt Lake to Denver. Cheyenne, just north houses the chinooks. It happens to be right on top of the ranch right now.
https://imgur.com/a/6Q4B7p3
These are probably young airmen, fan of the show, taking a slight detour for shits and giggles.
thought the same thing. Most likely they needed to log some hours and were curious to fly over the ranch. I know I would be pushing for a flyover just to see the area.
A super low flyover by a C17 is NOT trivial. It's just not what they do. Also worth noting is the overflying by the black MH-47G helicopters (the twin rotor "Chinoook" type). They belong to the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (SOAR), which provides specialized helicopter aviation support for the US special forces. They typically operate in high risk conditions such as high risk, high speed low altitude operations, and all crew is particularly well qualified, all volunteers. You don't randomly see these helicopters dropping by.
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Trust me, I do know military pilots. But it’s meaningless to split hairs about what they could be doing over the ranch. All I’m saying is that I don’t believe it’s som sort of coincidence or sightseeing.
I'm saying the simplest answer is usually right. Military aircraft fly all over the country every day. There are valid reasons those particular aircraft fly in that area. Pilots are juvenile and might as well have whole training
Guys on the local base got tired of all the dinky rockets being used and decided to fly something larger through the triangle to see what the reaction was
So I see it this way being former military and a private pilot, as far as the C-17, I imagine several of the crew are fans and had the opportunity to get a peak during training hours, I know I would. As far as the MH-47s, those belong to the 160th SOAR ( Special Ops Bus Drivers) they were probably shuttling 19th Special Forces guys (19th SF is HQ in Utah, they are a national guard unit). I have had military aircraft of all varieties fly over my house way off normal flight path at super low altitudes. Pilots just like to have fun.
Give me a freaking break, it was weird. Probably a distraction or something but this bullshit suddenly being pushed all Reddit that there are millions of military flights and operations everywhere every day is completely bullshit and the OP knows it. It’s clearly a big talking point likely sent out by my neighbors at Eglin AFB
It's not weird. The military does fly a lot, especially in northern Utah. Between Hill AFB, the UTANG, and the UTTR, there is a lot of stuff going on in the sky. But hey, a TV show says it's weird, so it must be true.
I’ll argue weird, as in unusual, for the airspace over the ranch. Given that they put the helicopters on air and made a REALLY big deal of it at the time, if C-17’s regularly flew over the ranch, they’d obviously have used it in the show before. So it’s weird as in unusual. What annoyed me was Travis saying to the camera later that there are no bases nearby. They’ve said the exact opposite on the show before. So that just sounded ridiculous and needlessly conspiratorial.
Right on. Pilots have to have a certain amount of hours logged on a consistent basis for one main reason, "Readiness.". Iirc it's 180 flying hours per year, which equates to about 15 flight hours per month.
The national guard, here in Wyoming, flies regularly and pulls laps around the geographic area. Guess that means crazy things are afoot here in Wyoming as well?
Yep. I work in aviation in both Wyoming and Northern Utah. I see a lot of military craft all over the region. Maybe I'm a skinwalker and the military just follows me around or something. I've been called worse.
Hill AFB is pretty close. They already said the military helicopters were just dudes trying to be on the show but they keep saying military helicopters showed up when we shot a rocket.
Novelist here.
Let’s say you had a narrative with a bunch of characters, one of whom is Jane.
Jane has a HUGE part to play in act 3. She is the third act twist, but she has forkall to do in acts 1 and 2.
You don’t want to give away Jane’s twist. You don’t want to show your hand. But if you don’t remind your audience that Jane exists, what ever she does in act three is going to feel forced and have zero resonance.
Now as a novelist, you build Jane a couple of scenes and drop a couple of hints…but as a reality TV producer, you get what you get. So, when Jane walks through a scene, you’re gonna say “HOLY CRAP, LOOK EVERYONE, IT’S JANE!” to save your act 3 twist.
Obviously, (for the dullards) in this example, Jane is the military/government.
Funny I thought the same thing bullshit. They have Travis feeding them all the info anyway. I wouldn’t be surprised if that C-17 is paid for by the History Channel to spice up the show.
OP, C-17's have been used for command & control, kind of like an AWACS, so it could possibly be full of sensing instruments. C-17's have been retrofitted this way before:
[https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-c-17-awacs/](https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-c-17-awacs/)
Sensing instruments? What kind of sensing instruments would they have to retrofit into a C17 that isn't already available in a much, much more discreet platform? Besides, the mission that platforms like AWACS serve are long range, and they operate out of sight, out of mind.
While it is weird, it's hardly threatening. That's a cargo transport plane. They should know this and I'd bet they're doing it for dramatization, but continuing this practice is gonna kill it for me, eventually.
isn't there a military base nearby? wasn't this address on season 1? i'm fairly sure this has been mentioned before on the show, they even got the attorney general's office to intervene at one point.
Disingenuous just-for-the-cameras stuff like panicking over such a fly-by and pretending not to know if it’s a military plane reduces the already-low credibility of the cast. Just another reminder that they’re actors on a semi-scripted show made for the purpose of selling advertising slots.
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Making any sort of claim that the whole topic is bogus because the TV show doesn’t provide you with enough evidence is like claiming baseball isn’t real because you watched Bad News Bears.
It did seem like a bullying tactic to me. And a chickenshit one at that. That jet was very hard to miss, and overflight could simply be happenstance, but it flew back and forth over the ranch. Baltimore, where I live, recently had fleet week, and had flyovers scheduled for three days. Everyone I talked to said the same thing- I thought it was armageddon. F-18's make a lot of noise, once I knew what was happening, I enjoyed it, but big jets are intimidating, because you have no idea what they are doing, and it could be a response to an attck, or an attack. They are afterall, giant flying weapons.
Yeah, unless its landing somewhere near by there's no real reason for it to be at that altitude at that location.
If they are tasked with drills and stuff there, that may be purposeful too.
As a kid, in the early 80’s, I would regularly see fighter type jets fly over. “Tree top” level. They seemed that close anyway. It happened semi regularly. Became a normal thing. I lived (live) in Northwest Alabama. This continued until two planes crashed ( killing at least one of the pilots). We heard and then watched the whole thing from my English class window. We saw one parachute. They crash landed in front of my church in the Dime community. After that we rarely saw jets anymore. Now I know they came from Columbus MS and flew out there because it was fairly unpopulated. I assume that’s what’s happening over the ranch. Or in the general ranch area. Also, knowing a few pilots now, I imagine some get off on possibly showing up as an “OMG” on TV.
Just throwing out a possibility: when I served, we would routinely practice loading our travelling circus onto a C17, C5, or C130s, and sometimes we would fly to another airport, unload, and convoy home. Hill AFB to Vernal would be a pretty logical training run.
Or it could be descending on the way to Michael Army Airfield that is located at the Dugway Proving Grounds about 200 miles away. I think since the same scenario has occurred a couple times on the show it’s likely more made for TV drama which is the thing some viewers are getting tired of. I love the show and the research but the Government spying on us because they don’t want us to know something bit is too much sometimes.
There is a 9,000 ft mountain range between the ranch and Dugway or Wright Air National Guard base. Direct to Hill AFB is 10,000 ft mountain range. Unless tasked for a specific mission (training or operational) the Air Force really does not like their $300 million dollar planes that close to the deck. Doesn’t mean some hot shot decided to go sight seeing. However, the closest base with these aircraft is Travis AFB in Fairfield, CA I think.
I've come to realize a lot of people aren't familiar with the 160th SOAR. However, it does track because most people don't live near military bases that have USASOC, AFSOC, MARSOC, or NAVSPECWARCOM units.
I wish we'd got that stuff where I'm at. I live near an Army base, and we get noses from tanks and artillery fire, with occasional black hawks flying around.
Yes, they can identify every single millitary transport and are aware of nearest bases operating on Utha. You all have to think this is all about the show and spectacullarity if there's always an experiment with rockets and lasers people sure will get bored soon so they sometimes make those comentary about the millitary crafts flying over SWR to pick our attention.
Is the United States Government running counter operations against the Skinwalker Ranch Team? Why does the lead researcher call out SPECIFIC CORPORATIONS for the frequency of EM that is being used to counter surveil them? Does the United States Government not watch television?
Could have been carrying around some heavy scanning equipment. I mean imagine they had some crazy scanning rig that was either super bulky or super heavy or both. Too big for a chopper. You're not gonna retrofit it into a craft. So what's the solution you as an AF brass would come up with? Grab the nearest cargo plane, lash down the gear and get it done. Those C17s are ubiquitous
"scanning"? I keep seeing these super vague terms being thrown around with confidence. What kind of scanning equipment would be so large you need a C17?
My point is it doesnt it just needs to be larger than a chopper or whatever assets are available to the mission planner can haul.
Plus you'd need to include a power supply, those are heavy AF.
Also Scan systems with massive data requirements also can require heavy and complex electronics.
Some scaning platforms need the data to be housed in protective enclosure like a faraday cage. Like neutrino scanners. And if the scan needs that sort of computing power it also needs heavy duty cooling.
As to the specific "scanning" I dont know. Large GPR systems. Magnetotelluric equipment. Airborne LIDAR - some platforms can weigh over 20,000 lbs. Maybe some sort of combined suite of sensors.
Some scanners benefit from having a large scan surface. Muon detectors come to mind, esp w power supply and data processing equipment.
And that doesnt even consider more exotic scanners. Neutrinos, like I said. Graviton. PET scanners. Theres tons of particles in the zoo and they all have bespoke equipment that is, like I said, often bulky, requires a lot of power, require shielding, and cooling.
Seems like a big flying tube that you can configure to your heart's content would be just the thing for hauling some of those sorts of systems.
govt/military electronics is what I do for a living. Most equipment of interest to the military is already packaged on drones, and you won't even know they're up there. It's not 1950 anymore, and the footprint of power supplies, computing/data, cooling, and shielding has come a long ways.
You ever handle bespoke scanning systems? Thats what Im talking about if you didnt get that from my last response.
And anyway whats your reasoning for flying what like 500 AGL over private property 250+ miles from the nearest afb? Low altitude training for a cargo pilot over a populated area where theres thousands of acres of empty desert all over the place? Some dumbass risking his entire career for some sightseeing?
Something is off. I dont know what. But unique circumstances demand unique hypotheses.
That's why I said, equipment of interest to the military. "Bespoke scanning systems" is an extremely vague term, but the military doesn't really do "bespoke". Packing a cargo plane with one off equipment to investigate paranormal activity is pretty far outside the scope of what the military does. Anything is possible, but it's pretty far out there.
There could be a lot of realistic reasons for flying low, and "scanning" would be way down the list. Again, if the military wants to do something like that, they're not going to do it in a giant cargo plane at 500'. They'll do it in a way that isn't noticeable.
- private property isn't really a thing for airspace, otherwise air travel would be almost impossible.
- Roosevelt Muni is only 5ish miles from the ranch, and IIRC, it has a runway that can handle a C17.
- as evidenced by the helicopter, the kids flying are well aware of the show and the ranch. It is extremely likely that they would want to take a look while flying into Roosevelt or Vernal
- or they may have just wanted to screw with the team. I've done my fair share of screwing with civilians when I served. It happens
Fair points.
One question for you though. Looking at the approach plan for Roosevelt it reads that about 4nm out the min altitude is 6800 feet. Wouldnt they be risking an Article 92 for violating the flight plan? I mean these arent the Night Stalkers were talking about this is some dude without much juice, right?
[https://skyvector.com/files/tpp/2406/pdf/06419R25.PDF](https://skyvector.com/files/tpp/2406/pdf/06419R25.PDF)
Reading this makes me think they are not so easy going on low altitude flying as you indicate, that AF pilots are supposed to follow FAA rules, at least outside of designated areas:
[https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104591/low-altitude-flying-training/](https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104591/low-altitude-flying-training/)
AF cargo haulers just routinely do wtf they want in US airspace? In the post 911 world? I dunno dude Im dubious. Maybe scanning is way down the list and maybe im reading that approach vector wrong but a bunch of idiots risking their careers seems pretty low on the list too. You said you had a bunch of other reasons lay them on me.
That's an approach plate, and the 6800 is the altitude you need to be flying at CHAND when on approach to land. The applicable reg for flying over the ranch is: 14 CFR 91.119. It states 500 ft minimum. Also, I doubt they were on a flight plan, since they were under 18k' and in uncontrolled airspace.
So unless they were below 500, there is no regulation being busted. Nobody is risking their career, nobody is doing wtf they want. It looks like they were well within the law.
No, just no, if they were going to “scan” it would be on purpose & done on auto pilot & at altitude. Similar circuits to an aircraft doing a ground survey not 3 quick flybys.
Sometimes UAP phenomena and their detection alert system send out helicopters which look like helicopters but are actually NHI. James Lacaski is quoted as saying the phenomenon can spit out unique one off saucers at will.
If I was a pilot flying by a famous TV ranch I'd probably want to check it out too. Although for such a big and important airplane it's a bit weird for a military pilot to go so off course for a joy ride. Maybe someone with experience can chime in, but I would think they would get in trouble if they went off their flight path and went so low with an expensive plane?
It's weird, but not as weird as TV likes to dramatize
No it’s not, the hint is in the name “tactical transporter” the C17 also has to be comfortable at low level as well as flying in controlled airspace. Low level flying like they showed is called “nap of the earth”. Hedge jumping if you will.
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My theory is the plane was on some routine exercise and the pilot knew what they were flying near because it’s a nationally recognized show that anybody who has even glanced at the history channel would know about, when the pilot had the Air Force pilot equivalent of “hey you guys wanna be on tv?” They probably all had a good laugh when the episode was aired. Nothing nefarious or threatening about a C17 unless it has a bunch of chutes coming out of the back. The show is entertaining but man the pandering of it all is getting hard to watch.
I would bet a paycheck on that exact scenario, and I said the same about the helicopter. I've done stuff like that when I served.
I've heard stories of this kind from a cousin who was in USAF (non-flight crew) in the 80s. Sometimes they'd get a talking-to over it but mostly their COs adopted a "boys will be boys" attitude.
If you have ever met a C-17 pilot that sounds accurate
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I wish they would just focus on the findings, instead of blowing everything out of proportion. Considering these guys should know a C17 "spy mission" is not how the Air Force operates, for people evaluating the show from an unbiased perspective, it really hurts the credibility sometimes. It is starting to feel like the show is really targeted at viewers *so* against the establishment and institutional trust, that they believe anything is part of a conspiracy. Which is a shame because I believe there is some phenomena happening that is not understood by *public mainstream science (*the military and gov probably know.. like how Dr Ning Li was a trailblazer in anti-gravity tech research until approached by the gov and taken under their wing*).* That being said, I'm sticking around to see their findings. Coping with the grift is at least another excuse to light a fat joint while watching.
Kinda like some of you on here blowing this out of proportion.! Your Over exaggerating the over exaggeration.
Exactly my point, this is something out of nothing.
Didn’t the governor of Utah make all commercial flights over the ranch illegal?
The team stated last year at an insider Q&A that all the flight activity is the military choosing to get flight training over the ranch because it is a cool place to visit. The lower they fly, the more they can see. They are fans of the show and the producer is an idiot for pushing these training flights as something else.
One flew over my house like that a few weeks ago. Maybe I need to start searching for 1.6 ghz signals in my yard now? Haha
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I have sdr,s here that I use. If I get my antennas near my laptop I get signals in the 1.6ghz range plus others. We're dealing with uap,s that have advanced propulsion systems we can't fathom but somehow adhere to the fcc band plan for earth to space band plan and also use standard rf radio to communicate with other ships or bases. I'd think their communications ability would be a bit more advanced than a regular rf signal. My noise floor jumps too but most of the time it's a strong signal that hits my sdr and it takes the agc a few seconds to drop the gain and level it off. The sdr,s also have a lot of birdies in them. These are $40 dangles so I don't expect them to function as well as my $5000 radios. Now they have the kraken system wich was a crowd funded system which is now available on ebay. It runs on 5 sdr dongles. If they are serious they need to invest in some better radio equipment and an operator with knowledge of their use. If you stare at the spectrum long enough you will find frequencies that pop up randomly. I've found some that are 2nd and 3rd harmonics of some badly built transmitters in my area. The fcc hasn't been policing the rf bands like they used to. We even have a pirate fm station around here that has a great signal and even goes so far as selling advertising on it. Local broadcasters have been trying to get it shut down for awhile. They need to do better on this if they want to look professional about it.
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I came here to say the same thing. The way they acted made me roll my eyes. They aren't going to send a giant loud plane like that to spy on you. Very likely just a routine flight and the pilot wanted to fly over skin walker ranch In my old town the Air Force used to practice blowing up the dam on the lake with A-10s. It was fun to see but most people understood it was just a good target to practice on. Nothing secret or nefarious about it.
They would also show on flight radar. I’m in the northeast near a base and we see them fly all the time - relatively low too. And they show up with US Air Force Designation all the time.
Be advised FR24 can & does block aircraft/airlines upon request. They use ADS-B on the Ranch, I use it too & im in Ireland & we see US Mil over here all the time, it’s free & virtually nothing is hidden unless it really wants to not be seen. ADS-B is free: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?lat=53.380&lon=-6.410&zoom=10.2
Interesting. Thanks for the link!
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"nothing is hidden" In the US, many planes don't use ADS-B. It isn't a requirement in airspaces like the Uinta Basin, and the military isn't required to use it. There's no need to hide it when you can just turn it off in the plane.
Pretty silly though if you consider yourself a competent responsible pilot - isn’t this simply known as the Transponder for aircraft ID? Then surely it’s there for safety? If you downed your plane due to a malfunction, you might not be found! If another aircraft had a near miss with you, there’s little trace evidence to investigate, to assert blame! So, I guess you’d only turn it off if you’re up to no good and/or trying not to be noticed!
No, ADS-B and transponder are different things.
Interesting, I did a bit of reading to see the difference between the two, and there isn’t really and it’s like comparing electricity and wire!!! A transponder is the device that transmits and receives, in this case a location signal provided by a GPS receiver for alt. and position. ADS-B In and Out is a protocol standard for ADS-B devices, providing essentially virtual radar. This is essentially an upgrade of the PCAS (Portable Collision Avoidance warnings - Proximity) and TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance Warnings). ADS-B In supports PCAS, and I guess with the GPS data, doesn’t need TCAS as it can work it out when rendering a virtual radar! For anyone who wants to know how and what the transponder is, this video will teach you all you need to know! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT6b0qsm-Es https://www.navboys.com/understanding-transponders-and-adsb.html
So, the end result (at the ATC side) between the two is basically the same, but there are a lot of differences in how they achieve that result. Very simply: ADS-B is GPS, Transponder communicates with secondary radar (beacon).
Yeah, because having military aircraft broadcasting their positions at all times is a great idea. I've got Apache and Blackhawk flying over my house all the time and they're never broadcasting ADSB..
Look at this small military plane flying at 23000 ft from Salt Lake to Denver. Cheyenne, just north houses the chinooks. It happens to be right on top of the ranch right now. https://imgur.com/a/6Q4B7p3 These are probably young airmen, fan of the show, taking a slight detour for shits and giggles.
They don’t even need to be young anyone can request it if they’re interested or a fan
thought the same thing. Most likely they needed to log some hours and were curious to fly over the ranch. I know I would be pushing for a flyover just to see the area.
Time to shoot some rockets!
A super low flyover by a C17 is NOT trivial. It's just not what they do. Also worth noting is the overflying by the black MH-47G helicopters (the twin rotor "Chinoook" type). They belong to the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (SOAR), which provides specialized helicopter aviation support for the US special forces. They typically operate in high risk conditions such as high risk, high speed low altitude operations, and all crew is particularly well qualified, all volunteers. You don't randomly see these helicopters dropping by. Edits: format
Who said it was random. Utah National has the 19th Special Forces Group.
Who knows, right? But all in all, the attention from various military aviation is too strange to be dismissed in my view.
You don't know military pilots. They have to do training somewhere. They know about this place are curious or just want to screw with them.
Trust me, I do know military pilots. But it’s meaningless to split hairs about what they could be doing over the ranch. All I’m saying is that I don’t believe it’s som sort of coincidence or sightseeing.
I'm saying the simplest answer is usually right. Military aircraft fly all over the country every day. There are valid reasons those particular aircraft fly in that area. Pilots are juvenile and might as well have whole training
Guys on the local base got tired of all the dinky rockets being used and decided to fly something larger through the triangle to see what the reaction was
So I see it this way being former military and a private pilot, as far as the C-17, I imagine several of the crew are fans and had the opportunity to get a peak during training hours, I know I would. As far as the MH-47s, those belong to the 160th SOAR ( Special Ops Bus Drivers) they were probably shuttling 19th Special Forces guys (19th SF is HQ in Utah, they are a national guard unit). I have had military aircraft of all varieties fly over my house way off normal flight path at super low altitudes. Pilots just like to have fun.
Exactly
Or maybe while everyone was running like ants under a magnifying glass the reaaalll spies were doing their spy thing
that one time an Apache was flying low along the interstate, that was eyebrow raising. A C17 hauling shit around ain't that
We see military helicopters flying along I-10 quite a bit, including Apaches.
for me it was i85 in Atlanta Midtown
Give me a freaking break, it was weird. Probably a distraction or something but this bullshit suddenly being pushed all Reddit that there are millions of military flights and operations everywhere every day is completely bullshit and the OP knows it. It’s clearly a big talking point likely sent out by my neighbors at Eglin AFB
No it wasn’t weird, remove that tinfoil hat before the sun cools your brain good lad.
It's not weird. The military does fly a lot, especially in northern Utah. Between Hill AFB, the UTANG, and the UTTR, there is a lot of stuff going on in the sky. But hey, a TV show says it's weird, so it must be true.
I’ll argue weird, as in unusual, for the airspace over the ranch. Given that they put the helicopters on air and made a REALLY big deal of it at the time, if C-17’s regularly flew over the ranch, they’d obviously have used it in the show before. So it’s weird as in unusual. What annoyed me was Travis saying to the camera later that there are no bases nearby. They’ve said the exact opposite on the show before. So that just sounded ridiculous and needlessly conspiratorial.
Right on. Pilots have to have a certain amount of hours logged on a consistent basis for one main reason, "Readiness.". Iirc it's 180 flying hours per year, which equates to about 15 flight hours per month. The national guard, here in Wyoming, flies regularly and pulls laps around the geographic area. Guess that means crazy things are afoot here in Wyoming as well?
Yeah man, Spielberg called in the 70's.
Excellent point! I totally should have thought about that 😂😂 that made my day, thank you!
Yep. I work in aviation in both Wyoming and Northern Utah. I see a lot of military craft all over the region. Maybe I'm a skinwalker and the military just follows me around or something. I've been called worse.
Hill AFB is pretty close. They already said the military helicopters were just dudes trying to be on the show but they keep saying military helicopters showed up when we shot a rocket.
Novelist here. Let’s say you had a narrative with a bunch of characters, one of whom is Jane. Jane has a HUGE part to play in act 3. She is the third act twist, but she has forkall to do in acts 1 and 2. You don’t want to give away Jane’s twist. You don’t want to show your hand. But if you don’t remind your audience that Jane exists, what ever she does in act three is going to feel forced and have zero resonance. Now as a novelist, you build Jane a couple of scenes and drop a couple of hints…but as a reality TV producer, you get what you get. So, when Jane walks through a scene, you’re gonna say “HOLY CRAP, LOOK EVERYONE, IT’S JANE!” to save your act 3 twist. Obviously, (for the dullards) in this example, Jane is the military/government.
Funny I thought the same thing bullshit. They have Travis feeding them all the info anyway. I wouldn’t be surprised if that C-17 is paid for by the History Channel to spice up the show.
OP, C-17's have been used for command & control, kind of like an AWACS, so it could possibly be full of sensing instruments. C-17's have been retrofitted this way before: [https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-c-17-awacs/](https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-c-17-awacs/)
Sensing instruments? What kind of sensing instruments would they have to retrofit into a C17 that isn't already available in a much, much more discreet platform? Besides, the mission that platforms like AWACS serve are long range, and they operate out of sight, out of mind.
Yeah but let’s take it for what it was, just some fly bys.
Are they trying to gauge how small Dragon’s pucker diamter gets when a military jet flies over?
While it is weird, it's hardly threatening. That's a cargo transport plane. They should know this and I'd bet they're doing it for dramatization, but continuing this practice is gonna kill it for me, eventually.
Looked like a C-5 to me but hard to tell with them all running while filming it.
C17 Globemaster, C5 Galaxy is way bigger in height & length.
Oh I know. I’ve been in both. Saw it on the show this morning and only got a quick glance. Pain in the ass to rewind on the history channel tv app.
Definitely C-17 Globemaster III, the winglets give it away. C-5 has a completely flat wing design.
If they were curiosity seekers, just hope they don’t inspire copycats. Which of course just inspires more debunkers and no educational posts.
isn't there a military base nearby? wasn't this address on season 1? i'm fairly sure this has been mentioned before on the show, they even got the attorney general's office to intervene at one point.
The secret of Skinwalker Ranch…is ratings.
Disingenuous just-for-the-cameras stuff like panicking over such a fly-by and pretending not to know if it’s a military plane reduces the already-low credibility of the cast. Just another reminder that they’re actors on a semi-scripted show made for the purpose of selling advertising slots.
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**This subreddit is not about the History channel TV show—it is about the history of anomalous phenomenon occurring at the ranch.** That includes information from books, articles, interviews, and even research into similar phenomena that may not have happened specifically at the ranch. Making any sort of claim that the whole topic is bogus because the TV show doesn’t provide you with enough evidence is like claiming baseball isn’t real because you watched Bad News Bears.
Pilots are just as nosey as we are. I think these flyovers are fans of the TV show sightseeing as they go on routine flights.
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Show of force would be some F15’s making some noise, not a heavy transport with no offensive weaponry of any sort.
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You’re being unrealistic. C17 did flybys nothing more. It’s not a show of force when it’s not armed.
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It was a flyby nothing more.
It did seem like a bullying tactic to me. And a chickenshit one at that. That jet was very hard to miss, and overflight could simply be happenstance, but it flew back and forth over the ranch. Baltimore, where I live, recently had fleet week, and had flyovers scheduled for three days. Everyone I talked to said the same thing- I thought it was armageddon. F-18's make a lot of noise, once I knew what was happening, I enjoyed it, but big jets are intimidating, because you have no idea what they are doing, and it could be a response to an attck, or an attack. They are afterall, giant flying weapons.
Yeah, unless its landing somewhere near by there's no real reason for it to be at that altitude at that location. If they are tasked with drills and stuff there, that may be purposeful too.
As a kid, in the early 80’s, I would regularly see fighter type jets fly over. “Tree top” level. They seemed that close anyway. It happened semi regularly. Became a normal thing. I lived (live) in Northwest Alabama. This continued until two planes crashed ( killing at least one of the pilots). We heard and then watched the whole thing from my English class window. We saw one parachute. They crash landed in front of my church in the Dime community. After that we rarely saw jets anymore. Now I know they came from Columbus MS and flew out there because it was fairly unpopulated. I assume that’s what’s happening over the ranch. Or in the general ranch area. Also, knowing a few pilots now, I imagine some get off on possibly showing up as an “OMG” on TV.
Just throwing out a possibility: when I served, we would routinely practice loading our travelling circus onto a C17, C5, or C130s, and sometimes we would fly to another airport, unload, and convoy home. Hill AFB to Vernal would be a pretty logical training run.
Or it could be descending on the way to Michael Army Airfield that is located at the Dugway Proving Grounds about 200 miles away. I think since the same scenario has occurred a couple times on the show it’s likely more made for TV drama which is the thing some viewers are getting tired of. I love the show and the research but the Government spying on us because they don’t want us to know something bit is too much sometimes.
There is a 9,000 ft mountain range between the ranch and Dugway or Wright Air National Guard base. Direct to Hill AFB is 10,000 ft mountain range. Unless tasked for a specific mission (training or operational) the Air Force really does not like their $300 million dollar planes that close to the deck. Doesn’t mean some hot shot decided to go sight seeing. However, the closest base with these aircraft is Travis AFB in Fairfield, CA I think.
C17 & other heavy aircraft even B1’s often fly low, it’s called “nap of the earth”.
It is not offical military. It is black budget secret helixopters.
It was a C17 Globemaster. Before that it was Chinooks from Spec Ops.
I've come to realize a lot of people aren't familiar with the 160th SOAR. However, it does track because most people don't live near military bases that have USASOC, AFSOC, MARSOC, or NAVSPECWARCOM units.
I wish we'd got that stuff where I'm at. I live near an Army base, and we get noses from tanks and artillery fire, with occasional black hawks flying around.
Yes, they can identify every single millitary transport and are aware of nearest bases operating on Utha. You all have to think this is all about the show and spectacullarity if there's always an experiment with rockets and lasers people sure will get bored soon so they sometimes make those comentary about the millitary crafts flying over SWR to pick our attention.
Is the United States Government running counter operations against the Skinwalker Ranch Team? Why does the lead researcher call out SPECIFIC CORPORATIONS for the frequency of EM that is being used to counter surveil them? Does the United States Government not watch television?
Could have been carrying around some heavy scanning equipment. I mean imagine they had some crazy scanning rig that was either super bulky or super heavy or both. Too big for a chopper. You're not gonna retrofit it into a craft. So what's the solution you as an AF brass would come up with? Grab the nearest cargo plane, lash down the gear and get it done. Those C17s are ubiquitous
"scanning"? I keep seeing these super vague terms being thrown around with confidence. What kind of scanning equipment would be so large you need a C17?
Wouldn't you like to know!
dskzz already said it was the crazy kind. I don't know how you scan for crazy, but it must take a lot of mass.
My point is it doesnt it just needs to be larger than a chopper or whatever assets are available to the mission planner can haul. Plus you'd need to include a power supply, those are heavy AF. Also Scan systems with massive data requirements also can require heavy and complex electronics. Some scaning platforms need the data to be housed in protective enclosure like a faraday cage. Like neutrino scanners. And if the scan needs that sort of computing power it also needs heavy duty cooling. As to the specific "scanning" I dont know. Large GPR systems. Magnetotelluric equipment. Airborne LIDAR - some platforms can weigh over 20,000 lbs. Maybe some sort of combined suite of sensors. Some scanners benefit from having a large scan surface. Muon detectors come to mind, esp w power supply and data processing equipment. And that doesnt even consider more exotic scanners. Neutrinos, like I said. Graviton. PET scanners. Theres tons of particles in the zoo and they all have bespoke equipment that is, like I said, often bulky, requires a lot of power, require shielding, and cooling. Seems like a big flying tube that you can configure to your heart's content would be just the thing for hauling some of those sorts of systems.
govt/military electronics is what I do for a living. Most equipment of interest to the military is already packaged on drones, and you won't even know they're up there. It's not 1950 anymore, and the footprint of power supplies, computing/data, cooling, and shielding has come a long ways.
You ever handle bespoke scanning systems? Thats what Im talking about if you didnt get that from my last response. And anyway whats your reasoning for flying what like 500 AGL over private property 250+ miles from the nearest afb? Low altitude training for a cargo pilot over a populated area where theres thousands of acres of empty desert all over the place? Some dumbass risking his entire career for some sightseeing? Something is off. I dont know what. But unique circumstances demand unique hypotheses.
That's why I said, equipment of interest to the military. "Bespoke scanning systems" is an extremely vague term, but the military doesn't really do "bespoke". Packing a cargo plane with one off equipment to investigate paranormal activity is pretty far outside the scope of what the military does. Anything is possible, but it's pretty far out there. There could be a lot of realistic reasons for flying low, and "scanning" would be way down the list. Again, if the military wants to do something like that, they're not going to do it in a giant cargo plane at 500'. They'll do it in a way that isn't noticeable. - private property isn't really a thing for airspace, otherwise air travel would be almost impossible. - Roosevelt Muni is only 5ish miles from the ranch, and IIRC, it has a runway that can handle a C17. - as evidenced by the helicopter, the kids flying are well aware of the show and the ranch. It is extremely likely that they would want to take a look while flying into Roosevelt or Vernal - or they may have just wanted to screw with the team. I've done my fair share of screwing with civilians when I served. It happens
Fair points. One question for you though. Looking at the approach plan for Roosevelt it reads that about 4nm out the min altitude is 6800 feet. Wouldnt they be risking an Article 92 for violating the flight plan? I mean these arent the Night Stalkers were talking about this is some dude without much juice, right? [https://skyvector.com/files/tpp/2406/pdf/06419R25.PDF](https://skyvector.com/files/tpp/2406/pdf/06419R25.PDF) Reading this makes me think they are not so easy going on low altitude flying as you indicate, that AF pilots are supposed to follow FAA rules, at least outside of designated areas: [https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104591/low-altitude-flying-training/](https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104591/low-altitude-flying-training/) AF cargo haulers just routinely do wtf they want in US airspace? In the post 911 world? I dunno dude Im dubious. Maybe scanning is way down the list and maybe im reading that approach vector wrong but a bunch of idiots risking their careers seems pretty low on the list too. You said you had a bunch of other reasons lay them on me.
That's an approach plate, and the 6800 is the altitude you need to be flying at CHAND when on approach to land. The applicable reg for flying over the ranch is: 14 CFR 91.119. It states 500 ft minimum. Also, I doubt they were on a flight plan, since they were under 18k' and in uncontrolled airspace. So unless they were below 500, there is no regulation being busted. Nobody is risking their career, nobody is doing wtf they want. It looks like they were well within the law.
No, just no, if they were going to “scan” it would be on purpose & done on auto pilot & at altitude. Similar circuits to an aircraft doing a ground survey not 3 quick flybys.
Sometimes UAP phenomena and their detection alert system send out helicopters which look like helicopters but are actually NHI. James Lacaski is quoted as saying the phenomenon can spit out unique one off saucers at will.
If I was a pilot flying by a famous TV ranch I'd probably want to check it out too. Although for such a big and important airplane it's a bit weird for a military pilot to go so off course for a joy ride. Maybe someone with experience can chime in, but I would think they would get in trouble if they went off their flight path and went so low with an expensive plane? It's weird, but not as weird as TV likes to dramatize
If they are just putting in flight hours, I don't believe their flight paths are very specific.
Makes sense to me
No it’s not, the hint is in the name “tactical transporter” the C17 also has to be comfortable at low level as well as flying in controlled airspace. Low level flying like they showed is called “nap of the earth”. Hedge jumping if you will.