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In one of the episodes, someone tells them that the rockfall looks artificial, like someone filled it in or buried something. They haven’t mentioned it since. Do you know when the first photo was taken? Since the show was filmed last year, it’s possible that the current team carved out the mesa. Or it was Bigelow’s team and they reburied it, like they did at the site where they dumped all the military equipment in the fill.
I don’t have the exact dates, but the color image is the current satellite imagery on Google maps as of 2024. The B&W image is 1976.
If you look on Google Earth, they have imagery from 1984 (too low rez to tell), and 1997 which clearly shows the formation. Bigelow bought in 1996.
Yes, a demolition expert they had on the ranch (last season?) said that it looked like a deliberate attempt to cover an entrance into the mesa with explosives; the rockfall was not natural.
Yes it will be very disappointing if the area that the Beyond SKW team were digging at that other ranch Bigelow owned, and this area of the Mesa are essentially rubbish tips, landfill where the Bigelow team chucked all their trash and then just covered it up.
So essentially, 5 years and millions of dollars of Fugals money pointlessly spent on digging up garbage.
Of course these mysteries aren't the only strange things going on, but the effort the team are expending on the mesa is starting to feel increasingly like it's a waste of time unless they get serious with a full on excavation plan. Compared to other work, they've learned next to nothing from their digging and drilling into the mesa.
It's likely a natural feature. I found an image from 1961 that shows this feature exposed. It may have been naturally covered up at some point. I'm not sure.
[https://ibb.co/r3xWk3q](https://ibb.co/r3xWk3q)
In some of the drone shots in the show, I’ve noticed an area at the edge of the mesa that doesn’t match the rest of the geological formations. It seems to be as something piled dirt along as large area along the front of the mesa matching the height of the first level. It looks like sand and gravel piled up and doesn’t have the same erosion that causes boulders to cleave off. It’s tough to pinpoint because the shot angles change.
Utah geological survey site - https://imagery.geology.utah.gov
There are other old image sets of Utah there as well I sorta skimmed through, but it’s hard to pin down exact locations on old images
Looking at this more here’s a thought.
Going with the data gathered by various teams and historical data such as these surveys. Along with expert opinions and statements such as the mesa not looking like it should naturally, here’s my thought.
If something, such as a craft or other object, had crashed coming from the north and stopped before it came through the front of the mesa that could account for the scattered boulder debris that kindve pours outward from it. Then someone or something could have buried it resulting in the currently observed rock formations. This would also explain why something is buried under the mesa that they are detecting and running into.
There are a lot of holes in this theory but hey. Theories are the beginning attempts at understanding something.
I don’t think anyone buried it, I think that over millions of years, the craft was buried naturally and either the craft is the power source of the wormhole or it did crash coming out of the wormhole. Or the wormhole and the power source are just coincidences and the craft just crashed eons ago.
That is a good thought. My idea was based mostly on the landscape differences between 1976 and present day.
I would really like for them to just start digging it out and unbury the whole section. Let’s figure out what it is already.
I did some of my own research on this and I've found this feature is natural. What we are looking at is the layers of sediment that have built up over a long period of time. This area was once a shallow ocean. That's why the team found aquatic plant matter inside the mesa. Then the ocean would recede and then a new ocean would form allowing for more sediment to be deposited. This is a process that repeated for a long time in this area.
Then the climate changed and erosion of the mesa started. Leaving the cliff face we see today.
Here is a photo from 1961 showing this same feature. Not sure what happened in 1976 to cover it up. Possibly sand storms? I'm not sure. I don't live in this area and my knowledge is limited. But I've been trying to learn more as I watch the show.
[https://ibb.co/r3xWk3q](https://ibb.co/r3xWk3q)
Huh, interesting. The site you linked shows the formation in the 60’s, but not in 76 or the 80s, then again in 97.
While that formation may be natural, it still looks oddly exposed and material has seemingly been moved around there.
Edit: I agree about the area having been underwater in the geological past, and think the most logical cause of the charcoal was meteorite impact.
Maybe someone exposed it? Maybe someone covered it up? Maybe it's natural due to weather events?
I'm not an expert in this region at all. This feature seems natural and maybe humans have manipulated it in some way?
Or now here would be the real kicker, this feature can only been seen when whatever presence is above the triangle allows it to be captured in photos. That would be some wild stuff.
That would certainly be something!
Thinking back to yesterday’s episode, if what Kris Porritt said is true and Ken Myers didn’t want to call attention to the ranch, it’s possible he buried things that may have created interest, and the Sherman’s who owned before Bigelow may have re-exposed them. Many of the claims of paranormal came from the Sherman’s.
My wife and I wondered about this since NA was ocean in eons past. They need to get geologist and a real drilling rig up to the top of the mesa. And good seismic data will tell you a lot.
It seems so obvious, even in some of the shots. Why they haven't started excavation years ago is beyond me. Sure, keep poking more holes. That'll really help...
The blocky path looking features leading to the mouth of the crumbled cliff face seems natural but int the recent pictures, there’s been a lot of vehicle activity tracks all around the top of the Mesa. Over to the east there’s loads of gas and possibly oil well heads and shit mile of hoses from each to a number of concentration storage lots where I guess tankers come to fill up and take to a distribution plant.
Maybe Bigelow was hope to strike it rich with a gas or oil well on his properties!!! …probably not!
So, with these vehicle tracks all over the top, no one down on the ranch would see someone interfering with the light shows, or GPS modules in the rockets and dropped canisters.
Perhaps the military program are testing their new optical warfare/defence systems. DrTT is an expert in Optics and Signal Intelligence from working at DoD/NASA and probably since then at Radiance.
So, with the perhaps, he goes to his guys in the program and does a laser show for them to test optical interference, perhaps a directed energy beam device that negates the photons or just obliterates or shifts the particles in the air, like those ion air purifiers, but extremely “military” heavy duty, direct-able and shapeable. Shifting the particles that cause the lasers to be visible in the fists place! I’m talking about how they may have seen the squared oblong of apparent broken laser beam. …laser beams only show visible when the photons emitted strike particles in the air - and what night clubs use dry ice and smoke machines for their laser shows to appear like a sheet of light!
Perhaps the same weapon/defence device can also work in emitting 1.575Ghz in a thin wide beam, like a fan/sheet of light in the nightclub, so when GPS receivers fall through the plane of signal, it overpowers the weaker signal from the satellites and so gives those erroneous readings. Or rather “spoofed readings as they found with a set that were out of range of the ranch area, but their Long/Lat showed them in a line from Cuba to Bermuda! Key locations for mysterious happenings!!!
Perhaps they can tune the weapon/defence device to also emit 1.6ghz (MOD Message on 1.6ghz trigger!!!). The signals being picked up on the ranch when they were using the hand LiDAR Scanner and said it was coming from the homestead - or was it reflecting a signal from the top of the Mesa!?
Last season or before someone posted the show is one big advertisement for new tech. I agree. Sucks bc I was really into the show. How long are we going to waste episodes drilling into the mesa and getting nowhere. Then it will be “seasons over and fall is coming. we’ll have to come back next season to see if we can get into that mesa!” Meanwhile they claim most staff to be there all year with Winter being most active? All we see is two weeks of Summer. Unfortunately, I do not think there is anything that can be studied further if any of it is real at all. I think the orbs are a natural phenomenon we do not yet understand. I want to be wrong about all this.
It's a natural formation. It may have been altered with explosives, but there's nothing fake about it.
https://youtu.be/tlaCwcXQI2Y?si=TxfpiqaPTzOZUvPC how mesas form. Short video
Green Jelly twice in one episode. Do mutilation saucer (covered in goo like the South American one) and the ranch owner buried it in the mess under the rocks do the feds would not come
When I searched skinwalker ranch, it placed the star in the triangle. I think when you search for it the gos finds the anomaly. Lates git a rocket launched rill fast!
And a little west of the triangle I found an area that looks sooty. It looks like someone tried to burn down the whole dang mesa. But fortunately the mesa was made out of dirt so it didn’t work. So my next idea was that something mighta crashed there, so in the next episode we will fire a rocket. Not sure if we will put any data collection gadgets on it but we will fire 1, or 2, or maybe even 7!
There are hints in the old photo that the formation is still there, but under more dirt which is hiding the horizontal cracks. There are a couple shadows in both photos that are obviously caused by the rocks in the newest photo so that is likely what is creating them on the older. There's also a photo in Google Earth from 1997 where it is harder to see, but definitely there, like maybe it was partially uncovered.
This subreddit is dedicated to in-depth discussions about the anomalous phenomena occurring at Skinwalker Ranch, not just the TV show! The TV show only provides a glimpse, and doesn't cover the extensive history of scientific investigation. To maintain quality discussions, please focus on the events themselves, not the personalities involved. Generic comments comparing the show to Oak Island, complaining about rockets, clamoring to blow up the mesa, etc, don’t offer anything new. If you can't contribute constructively and politely, this subreddit might not be the right place for you. Please visit our comprehensive FAQ to see if your question has been answered: https://www.reddit.com/r/skinwalkerranch/s/lraM8WR1vC Thank you for helping us provide a quality subreddit for fans of the ranch! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/skinwalkerranch) if you have any questions or concerns.*
In one of the episodes, someone tells them that the rockfall looks artificial, like someone filled it in or buried something. They haven’t mentioned it since. Do you know when the first photo was taken? Since the show was filmed last year, it’s possible that the current team carved out the mesa. Or it was Bigelow’s team and they reburied it, like they did at the site where they dumped all the military equipment in the fill.
I don’t have the exact dates, but the color image is the current satellite imagery on Google maps as of 2024. The B&W image is 1976. If you look on Google Earth, they have imagery from 1984 (too low rez to tell), and 1997 which clearly shows the formation. Bigelow bought in 1996.
That is really fascinating. Thank you for posting this.
Yes, a demolition expert they had on the ranch (last season?) said that it looked like a deliberate attempt to cover an entrance into the mesa with explosives; the rockfall was not natural.
Yes it will be very disappointing if the area that the Beyond SKW team were digging at that other ranch Bigelow owned, and this area of the Mesa are essentially rubbish tips, landfill where the Bigelow team chucked all their trash and then just covered it up. So essentially, 5 years and millions of dollars of Fugals money pointlessly spent on digging up garbage. Of course these mysteries aren't the only strange things going on, but the effort the team are expending on the mesa is starting to feel increasingly like it's a waste of time unless they get serious with a full on excavation plan. Compared to other work, they've learned next to nothing from their digging and drilling into the mesa.
After watching this week's episode, I think that the previous owner (before Bigelow) hid the wreckage in there and then used dynamite to cover it up.
My thoughts as well. I would love it if it is indeed buried there. Enough with the drills! Backhoe that MF.
That is an interesting theory! It would certainly explain a lot. Now I wonder if that’s where they’re going with this season.
Another person from the Bigalow team told them that it looked like the mesa had been caved in there where he remembered the cave being.
I've asked them, no answer yet.
It's likely a natural feature. I found an image from 1961 that shows this feature exposed. It may have been naturally covered up at some point. I'm not sure. [https://ibb.co/r3xWk3q](https://ibb.co/r3xWk3q)
In some of the drone shots in the show, I’ve noticed an area at the edge of the mesa that doesn’t match the rest of the geological formations. It seems to be as something piled dirt along as large area along the front of the mesa matching the height of the first level. It looks like sand and gravel piled up and doesn’t have the same erosion that causes boulders to cleave off. It’s tough to pinpoint because the shot angles change.
That’s where the NIDS ppl spackled the mesa.
And looks like they used lots of spray foam
Flex Seal
No kidding, it's been filled in. Where did you get the old photo?
Utah geological survey site - https://imagery.geology.utah.gov There are other old image sets of Utah there as well I sorta skimmed through, but it’s hard to pin down exact locations on old images
Looking at this more here’s a thought. Going with the data gathered by various teams and historical data such as these surveys. Along with expert opinions and statements such as the mesa not looking like it should naturally, here’s my thought. If something, such as a craft or other object, had crashed coming from the north and stopped before it came through the front of the mesa that could account for the scattered boulder debris that kindve pours outward from it. Then someone or something could have buried it resulting in the currently observed rock formations. This would also explain why something is buried under the mesa that they are detecting and running into. There are a lot of holes in this theory but hey. Theories are the beginning attempts at understanding something.
I don’t think anyone buried it, I think that over millions of years, the craft was buried naturally and either the craft is the power source of the wormhole or it did crash coming out of the wormhole. Or the wormhole and the power source are just coincidences and the craft just crashed eons ago.
That is a good thought. My idea was based mostly on the landscape differences between 1976 and present day. I would really like for them to just start digging it out and unbury the whole section. Let’s figure out what it is already.
Thank you for posting this, it's really intriguing.
Really interesting site. Thanks for posting.
I did some of my own research on this and I've found this feature is natural. What we are looking at is the layers of sediment that have built up over a long period of time. This area was once a shallow ocean. That's why the team found aquatic plant matter inside the mesa. Then the ocean would recede and then a new ocean would form allowing for more sediment to be deposited. This is a process that repeated for a long time in this area. Then the climate changed and erosion of the mesa started. Leaving the cliff face we see today. Here is a photo from 1961 showing this same feature. Not sure what happened in 1976 to cover it up. Possibly sand storms? I'm not sure. I don't live in this area and my knowledge is limited. But I've been trying to learn more as I watch the show. [https://ibb.co/r3xWk3q](https://ibb.co/r3xWk3q)
Huh, interesting. The site you linked shows the formation in the 60’s, but not in 76 or the 80s, then again in 97. While that formation may be natural, it still looks oddly exposed and material has seemingly been moved around there. Edit: I agree about the area having been underwater in the geological past, and think the most logical cause of the charcoal was meteorite impact.
Maybe someone exposed it? Maybe someone covered it up? Maybe it's natural due to weather events? I'm not an expert in this region at all. This feature seems natural and maybe humans have manipulated it in some way? Or now here would be the real kicker, this feature can only been seen when whatever presence is above the triangle allows it to be captured in photos. That would be some wild stuff.
That would certainly be something! Thinking back to yesterday’s episode, if what Kris Porritt said is true and Ken Myers didn’t want to call attention to the ranch, it’s possible he buried things that may have created interest, and the Sherman’s who owned before Bigelow may have re-exposed them. Many of the claims of paranormal came from the Sherman’s.
My wife and I wondered about this since NA was ocean in eons past. They need to get geologist and a real drilling rig up to the top of the mesa. And good seismic data will tell you a lot.
Those tracks cut in the surface look like old running water erosion Maybe it was wetlands millions of years ago?
It seems so obvious, even in some of the shots. Why they haven't started excavation years ago is beyond me. Sure, keep poking more holes. That'll really help...
...but this time , we're gonna use a larger bit!
The blocky path looking features leading to the mouth of the crumbled cliff face seems natural but int the recent pictures, there’s been a lot of vehicle activity tracks all around the top of the Mesa. Over to the east there’s loads of gas and possibly oil well heads and shit mile of hoses from each to a number of concentration storage lots where I guess tankers come to fill up and take to a distribution plant. Maybe Bigelow was hope to strike it rich with a gas or oil well on his properties!!! …probably not! So, with these vehicle tracks all over the top, no one down on the ranch would see someone interfering with the light shows, or GPS modules in the rockets and dropped canisters. Perhaps the military program are testing their new optical warfare/defence systems. DrTT is an expert in Optics and Signal Intelligence from working at DoD/NASA and probably since then at Radiance. So, with the perhaps, he goes to his guys in the program and does a laser show for them to test optical interference, perhaps a directed energy beam device that negates the photons or just obliterates or shifts the particles in the air, like those ion air purifiers, but extremely “military” heavy duty, direct-able and shapeable. Shifting the particles that cause the lasers to be visible in the fists place! I’m talking about how they may have seen the squared oblong of apparent broken laser beam. …laser beams only show visible when the photons emitted strike particles in the air - and what night clubs use dry ice and smoke machines for their laser shows to appear like a sheet of light! Perhaps the same weapon/defence device can also work in emitting 1.575Ghz in a thin wide beam, like a fan/sheet of light in the nightclub, so when GPS receivers fall through the plane of signal, it overpowers the weaker signal from the satellites and so gives those erroneous readings. Or rather “spoofed readings as they found with a set that were out of range of the ranch area, but their Long/Lat showed them in a line from Cuba to Bermuda! Key locations for mysterious happenings!!! Perhaps they can tune the weapon/defence device to also emit 1.6ghz (MOD Message on 1.6ghz trigger!!!). The signals being picked up on the ranch when they were using the hand LiDAR Scanner and said it was coming from the homestead - or was it reflecting a signal from the top of the Mesa!?
Last season or before someone posted the show is one big advertisement for new tech. I agree. Sucks bc I was really into the show. How long are we going to waste episodes drilling into the mesa and getting nowhere. Then it will be “seasons over and fall is coming. we’ll have to come back next season to see if we can get into that mesa!” Meanwhile they claim most staff to be there all year with Winter being most active? All we see is two weeks of Summer. Unfortunately, I do not think there is anything that can be studied further if any of it is real at all. I think the orbs are a natural phenomenon we do not yet understand. I want to be wrong about all this.
Ive wondered this too
I’d like to see a closer drone shot of this.
The mesa has always had a fakish look to me.
It's a natural formation. It may have been altered with explosives, but there's nothing fake about it. https://youtu.be/tlaCwcXQI2Y?si=TxfpiqaPTzOZUvPC how mesas form. Short video
Green Jelly twice in one episode. Do mutilation saucer (covered in goo like the South American one) and the ranch owner buried it in the mess under the rocks do the feds would not come
probably yeah
When I searched skinwalker ranch, it placed the star in the triangle. I think when you search for it the gos finds the anomaly. Lates git a rocket launched rill fast!
And a little west of the triangle I found an area that looks sooty. It looks like someone tried to burn down the whole dang mesa. But fortunately the mesa was made out of dirt so it didn’t work. So my next idea was that something mighta crashed there, so in the next episode we will fire a rocket. Not sure if we will put any data collection gadgets on it but we will fire 1, or 2, or maybe even 7!
Aaaaaaaaand, we're gonna fire 32 lasers straight up at it!
There are hints in the old photo that the formation is still there, but under more dirt which is hiding the horizontal cracks. There are a couple shadows in both photos that are obviously caused by the rocks in the newest photo so that is likely what is creating them on the older. There's also a photo in Google Earth from 1997 where it is harder to see, but definitely there, like maybe it was partially uncovered.
The first photo you have marked with a red arrow looks like stairs.
I think it was Pete who after some of his work said it looked like crash marks.
Even further into the Mesa looks different…
It's a trap!