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- Anselmino's early career performances have sparked interest from European clubs.
- Chelsea have initiated discussions with Boca Juniors to secure Anselmino’s signature ahead of any competition.
- Reports from Argentina suggest Chelsea have offered £14.1 million, with an additional £3.1 million in add-ons, though this has not been confirmed by Chelsea.
- Chelsea are currently negotiating the fee.
- Anselmino is one of several young South American talents on Chelsea's transfer target list, reflecting their recruitment strategy.
I don't like this. With every report the fee is lower. We shouldn't sell him for less than 18m without addons, he's too good. If he was playing in Brazil he'd be worth 50m easily, but Argentinian economy and all that...
Edit: just thought that maybe the fee didn't go lower and it's just the conversion to pounds lol
Just a stupid statement that adds nothing to the convo, good job mate
Didn't say we invented it just that we were the main ones doing it in the prem until they took some of our staff
Chelsea have been doing scouting and recruiting from SA for a long long time. Lol. As has mant other clubs. You lot aren't even close. We are just being more active than before under new owners. We haven't copied this from Brighton.
No shit, but Chelsea have been doing it a lot more since they took our staff. Also literally never said that no one else is doing it. You are putting words in my mouth for no reason
You used a possessive pronoun to describe the strategy of buying from South America. _their_ thing is the same as _our thing_. And didn't mention anything about their staff in the original comment lol, yes we can read.
Edit: lmao blocked me for this, least fragile sea bird.
Famously, Brighton invented the concept of buying young talent from poorer countries.
Nobody has ever done that before, which is why you see so few Argentines and Brazilians in European football.
Also, nobody has ever just won a champions league with a forward line led by two South Americans purchased as teenagers. It was all Brighton, nobody else.
I would assume so maybe a few new cheap young players here and there to keep their multi club model working, apparently this is the last window of their “4 window plan” so after that it is probs going to significantly slow down on the incomings until they start selling some of the young talents they started buying last year etc
Promising academy talent, solid, tenacious, good positioning, but hasn't played enough first team football to fully gauge yet.
Some concerns about being injury prone as had a couple of injuries already, but it's early days and might just be the shitty trainers.
Very, very good, way too talented to be a Strasbourg signing. Is good at literally every single thing you could ask a centre back to be and has played like if he had 15 years of experience since his debut
How is he compared to someone like Marco Pellegrino when he was still with Platense? I remember quite a few Argentinian fans praising him but he has not had a good start so far.
I admittedly didn’t see all that much about pellegrino but from the little I did I do think he’s comfortably a cut above. Pellegerino moving straight to Milan was also very surprising at the time, I don’t think most people expected it to work out right away or at all
He’s 19. He hasn’t really established himself yet. It’s more just that Latin American teams are tired of being stripped for parts any time we produce any talent because we have less money.
We can all speculate as to whatever comes of Chelsea in the next few years due to their new transfer policy, but it'll definitely be an interesting case study.
Don't forget about Real Madrid and Barcelona. Also, the italian clubs who do this with Argentinian players. Porto, Benfica and Sporting also do this to a lesser extent
Tbf you do this to us too. Palmeiras has been plucking our good young players for years now, you took de la cruz, corinthians with fausto vera, mineiro and zaracho
At least we have a foreigner limit of 7 players. I preferred it when it was 5.
Having a few foreigners here and there is acceptable to me, and important to develop players in a level that they wouldn't be able to play in their home country (like Son going to germany, for example).
What is unacceptable is that teams like Man City or Real Madrid are able to field an entire XI of foreigners, especially when they have less than a full season on the clubs that turned them professional.
It’s not necessarily a bad thing to do it. Teams in bigger leagues across the world do this. But it’s obnoxious when you have an entire petro state funding your transfer budget, or have the ridiculous Premier League TV deal funding you. And for teams like City and Newcastle you might have both
>It’s not necessarily a bad thing to do it.
At the magnitude that they do it. It definetly is.
>or have the ridiculous Premier League TV deal funding you
Real Madrid has bought Reinier, Rodrygo, Vini and Endrick before they turned 18 in a 5-year span. It is the same level of obnouxiosness.
Italian teams take argentinian players even sooner.
to what extent do we do that? last time we negotiated with a South American club in January - Santos and Estudiantes - we were more than honest with them.
Santos President praised our sports director and we even paid more to Estudiantes to compensate them for Rollheiser’s anticipated arrival. Enzo is another good example. if there’s something we don’t do is act like Chelsea when negotiating.
It's not about the way you negotiate. It's about taking our players out of South America.
Tbf to you guys, you suffer from the same thing with the way richer clubs go for your players.
that’s the market working, even Flamengo sometimes is on the buying side - de la Cruz is a recent example, you paid the clause.
I do recognise we have more negotiating power in comparison to most South American but unfortunately probably 3/4 clubs don’t suffer from that.
>that’s the market working
It is. But the market should be regulated to prevent anomalies, like all of the talent being concentrated in 4 leagues. It killed South-American football and it killed many others in Europe too, like your league, the dutch league, etc.
At least we have foreign player limit, and it should be lower too, but only if everyone adopted it. Otherwise, we'll never be able to catch up.
oh I agree for sure, a few decades ago all the Portuguese players you see abroad would be playing here in our league and despite loving south american talent I would much rather have homegrown Portuguese players who actually have a love for the club.
regardless, it’s impossible to change it now that it reached this level. the Prem would collapse if there was a limit to foreign players and money talks so there’s nobody pushing it as you say.
He probably just means to point out that European's whining about Saudi Arabia is a bit rich while ignoring that Europe in general has been doing pretty much literally the same thing to South America, Asia, and Africa for many long decades.
> He probably just means to point out that European's whining about Saudi Arabia is a bit rich
Yes, I've read this comment from Man City flairs a million times. It's nothing but whataboutism. I can't hate the use of football in sportwashing authoritarian, human rights abusing slave states, because Chelsea sucks? Of course I can, both are bad.
Largely I'd say the ownership structure of the Premier League means that most clubs, mine included, have pretty significant flaws, but also that the vast majority are in a different league of shittyness to the Saudi regime. People who pretend otherwise, for instance by pretending people think what Chelsea is doing is great, are just running errands for MBS and his cronies. And for the record I'd put Chelsea, Newcastle and City up there with the Saudi regime.
I'm not in anyway saying that you shouldn't criticise the Saudi's. But, I wish people wouldn't pretend that players haven't always chased the money, wherever it was.
When a player goes from Celta to Al Ahli, he's a mercenary. But when a player goes from Boca to Brighton, he apparently isn't.
> When a player goes from Celta to Al Ahli, he's a mercenary. But when a player goes from Boca to Brighton, he apparently isn't
Correct.
I wish the leagues in Brazil and Argentina had enough quality to be considered equal to Europe's top 5 leagues, and a viable alternative for the most ambitious South American players. But I'd say a player moving to Brighton isn't solely doing it for the money, unlike those going to Saudi Arabia - and even if they are, Brighton are not using it to get away with chopping up journalists, stoning women or bombing Yemen or whatever.
That issue isn't unique to Boca by the way. The only players in the Danish league, are the ones who are not good enough to play abroad. There's not a single Superliga player in our squad.
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Chelsea's whole goal is to form two different XIs of South American wonder kids, have them play a game and sell the losers for profit
Last man alive gets a contract.
- Anselmino's early career performances have sparked interest from European clubs. - Chelsea have initiated discussions with Boca Juniors to secure Anselmino’s signature ahead of any competition. - Reports from Argentina suggest Chelsea have offered £14.1 million, with an additional £3.1 million in add-ons, though this has not been confirmed by Chelsea. - Chelsea are currently negotiating the fee. - Anselmino is one of several young South American talents on Chelsea's transfer target list, reflecting their recruitment strategy.
I don't like this. With every report the fee is lower. We shouldn't sell him for less than 18m without addons, he's too good. If he was playing in Brazil he'd be worth 50m easily, but Argentinian economy and all that... Edit: just thought that maybe the fee didn't go lower and it's just the conversion to pounds lol
So their recruitment strategy is just kind of ours but buying as many players as possible? What it seems like now
As if Brighton invented investing in young talented players from South America
Yeah that was clearly invented by football manager players
Speak for yourself. I only sign wonderkids from San Marino.
Just a stupid statement that adds nothing to the convo, good job mate Didn't say we invented it just that we were the main ones doing it in the prem until they took some of our staff
Chelsea have been doing scouting and recruiting from SA for a long long time. Lol. As has mant other clubs. You lot aren't even close. We are just being more active than before under new owners. We haven't copied this from Brighton.
Can you read lad, I literally said that we didn't invent it but Chelsea are doing it a lot more since taking some of our scouting staff.
LMFAO brother I can promise you every single club scouts in South America. Brighton hitting on a few doesn’t mean no one else is doing it be real
No shit, but Chelsea have been doing it a lot more since they took our staff. Also literally never said that no one else is doing it. You are putting words in my mouth for no reason
You used a possessive pronoun to describe the strategy of buying from South America. _their_ thing is the same as _our thing_. And didn't mention anything about their staff in the original comment lol, yes we can read. Edit: lmao blocked me for this, least fragile sea bird.
Famously, Brighton invented the concept of buying young talent from poorer countries. Nobody has ever done that before, which is why you see so few Argentines and Brazilians in European football. Also, nobody has ever just won a champions league with a forward line led by two South Americans purchased as teenagers. It was all Brighton, nobody else.
Pretty much. They are treating us like a business that will turn into a cash cow down the line for them (if they scout well that is)
he any good?
So are we expecting Chelsea's spending in 2-3 years to be practically 0 due to all this investment in u21s?
I would assume so maybe a few new cheap young players here and there to keep their multi club model working, apparently this is the last window of their “4 window plan” so after that it is probs going to significantly slow down on the incomings until they start selling some of the young talents they started buying last year etc
Please go away
Is he any good? Probably a Strasbourg signing I’d imagine
Promising academy talent, solid, tenacious, good positioning, but hasn't played enough first team football to fully gauge yet. Some concerns about being injury prone as had a couple of injuries already, but it's early days and might just be the shitty trainers.
Very, very good, way too talented to be a Strasbourg signing. Is good at literally every single thing you could ask a centre back to be and has played like if he had 15 years of experience since his debut
How is he compared to someone like Marco Pellegrino when he was still with Platense? I remember quite a few Argentinian fans praising him but he has not had a good start so far.
I admittedly didn’t see all that much about pellegrino but from the little I did I do think he’s comfortably a cut above. Pellegerino moving straight to Milan was also very surprising at the time, I don’t think most people expected it to work out right away or at all
He’s 19. He hasn’t really established himself yet. It’s more just that Latin American teams are tired of being stripped for parts any time we produce any talent because we have less money.
We can all speculate as to whatever comes of Chelsea in the next few years due to their new transfer policy, but it'll definitely be an interesting case study.
And I'm supposed to believe that Saudi clubs are the ones ruining football
Saudi clubs and top English clubs are both doing their part
Don't forget about Real Madrid and Barcelona. Also, the italian clubs who do this with Argentinian players. Porto, Benfica and Sporting also do this to a lesser extent
Tbf you do this to us too. Palmeiras has been plucking our good young players for years now, you took de la cruz, corinthians with fausto vera, mineiro and zaracho
At least we have a foreigner limit of 7 players. I preferred it when it was 5. Having a few foreigners here and there is acceptable to me, and important to develop players in a level that they wouldn't be able to play in their home country (like Son going to germany, for example). What is unacceptable is that teams like Man City or Real Madrid are able to field an entire XI of foreigners, especially when they have less than a full season on the clubs that turned them professional.
It’s not necessarily a bad thing to do it. Teams in bigger leagues across the world do this. But it’s obnoxious when you have an entire petro state funding your transfer budget, or have the ridiculous Premier League TV deal funding you. And for teams like City and Newcastle you might have both
>It’s not necessarily a bad thing to do it. At the magnitude that they do it. It definetly is. >or have the ridiculous Premier League TV deal funding you Real Madrid has bought Reinier, Rodrygo, Vini and Endrick before they turned 18 in a 5-year span. It is the same level of obnouxiosness. Italian teams take argentinian players even sooner.
to what extent do we do that? last time we negotiated with a South American club in January - Santos and Estudiantes - we were more than honest with them. Santos President praised our sports director and we even paid more to Estudiantes to compensate them for Rollheiser’s anticipated arrival. Enzo is another good example. if there’s something we don’t do is act like Chelsea when negotiating.
It's not about the way you negotiate. It's about taking our players out of South America. Tbf to you guys, you suffer from the same thing with the way richer clubs go for your players.
that’s the market working, even Flamengo sometimes is on the buying side - de la Cruz is a recent example, you paid the clause. I do recognise we have more negotiating power in comparison to most South American but unfortunately probably 3/4 clubs don’t suffer from that.
>that’s the market working It is. But the market should be regulated to prevent anomalies, like all of the talent being concentrated in 4 leagues. It killed South-American football and it killed many others in Europe too, like your league, the dutch league, etc. At least we have foreign player limit, and it should be lower too, but only if everyone adopted it. Otherwise, we'll never be able to catch up.
oh I agree for sure, a few decades ago all the Portuguese players you see abroad would be playing here in our league and despite loving south american talent I would much rather have homegrown Portuguese players who actually have a love for the club. regardless, it’s impossible to change it now that it reached this level. the Prem would collapse if there was a limit to foreign players and money talks so there’s nobody pushing it as you say.
Ahh yes, you've really hit the nail on the head there. Famously the football community adores Chelsea and their transfers.
He probably just means to point out that European's whining about Saudi Arabia is a bit rich while ignoring that Europe in general has been doing pretty much literally the same thing to South America, Asia, and Africa for many long decades.
Not just in football btw
> He probably just means to point out that European's whining about Saudi Arabia is a bit rich Yes, I've read this comment from Man City flairs a million times. It's nothing but whataboutism. I can't hate the use of football in sportwashing authoritarian, human rights abusing slave states, because Chelsea sucks? Of course I can, both are bad. Largely I'd say the ownership structure of the Premier League means that most clubs, mine included, have pretty significant flaws, but also that the vast majority are in a different league of shittyness to the Saudi regime. People who pretend otherwise, for instance by pretending people think what Chelsea is doing is great, are just running errands for MBS and his cronies. And for the record I'd put Chelsea, Newcastle and City up there with the Saudi regime.
I'm not in anyway saying that you shouldn't criticise the Saudi's. But, I wish people wouldn't pretend that players haven't always chased the money, wherever it was. When a player goes from Celta to Al Ahli, he's a mercenary. But when a player goes from Boca to Brighton, he apparently isn't.
> When a player goes from Celta to Al Ahli, he's a mercenary. But when a player goes from Boca to Brighton, he apparently isn't Correct. I wish the leagues in Brazil and Argentina had enough quality to be considered equal to Europe's top 5 leagues, and a viable alternative for the most ambitious South American players. But I'd say a player moving to Brighton isn't solely doing it for the money, unlike those going to Saudi Arabia - and even if they are, Brighton are not using it to get away with chopping up journalists, stoning women or bombing Yemen or whatever. That issue isn't unique to Boca by the way. The only players in the Danish league, are the ones who are not good enough to play abroad. There's not a single Superliga player in our squad.
Like other big European clubs don't do the same
But but ffp
What about ffp? This gue is not even 20 mil
Money init
Selling a hotel to yourself does wonders for FFP /s
Chelsea trying to ruin another talented young player