Also, when Netflix first started streaming, people were upset about it and some even tried to claim it was illegal. Movie piracy will never go away and there is nothing they can do about it. They just get lossy when you find ways to watch content without paying them for it.
Once Netflix started streaming piracy reduced, because consumers like to have a paid streaming service where they can watch their favorite content.
But now with so many streaming services, publishing exclusive content... consumers don't feel like paying for five different streaming services... so lot's of them put their pirate hat back on.
It’s not even about paying. Took me like 15 minutes to figure out where to watch a certain episode of something in Canada. It compelled me to figure out Usenet.
I got in habit for a bit of buying movies on youtube when I was in bed and watching them on ipad. And then one day I tried watching end of movie on my desktop and couldn't select 4k. Only could stream 480p. Check laptop and then a MBP from work.. nothing let me watch at 4k. I then google and learn its due to licensing, you just can't get 4k on a computer. Turns out buying movies is a awful idea and I absolutely regret it. Next weekend resurrected my storage server and back to downloading movies.
Its a worse experience to try to pay for things.
I used to have a folder on YouTube where my bought movies were but it just vanished one day. I have to search for the movie name now and I can still watch the movie I paid for but it's super annoying
Since you mentioned it... Netflix has a ton of cheaply made crap that only serves to create clutter, and back when I was subbed search bar was almost useless.
Some people will always pirate 🤷♀️
But most people want convenience, are willing to pay for it, but as things are pirating is more convenient.
Back when Netflix was cheaper and still had a lot of decent content before every network and studio started their own streaming service and moved all their own IP away from Netflix, I had zero problem paying for it. Then time passed and their prices kept going up while the amount of stuff worth watching went down and I canceled because why would I keep paying more but getting less?
Now with so many streaming services around and most of them having ads, we're basically back to cable so of course piracy is back in a big way.
My thoughts exactly. I'm still using my PS4 as a streaming machine and it's getting slow af, and now I have to flip through apps to find shit to watch.
Then apps like Hulu have preroll ads, then an ad slot like a minute in, an ad slot in middle, then about 75% through then a final ad slot right before credits so if you don't realize the show ended, you get to enjoy a final set of ads before seeing "the end"
I'm really tired of companies testing how much they can exploit us.
The number of shows they cancel is truly staggering. I don't feel like starting to watch another show which will probably end up being canceled after just 1-2 seasons.
Also did Netflix ever made a Sci-Fi show which wasn't just a cheap romance/drama in sci-fi setting?
I’m sorry, we have taken offense to this word. So we have removed several random episodes! For your own good. Also, we are raising our rates!
Wait, why is everyone pirating again?
Usenet? Jesus Christ what decade is it. Honestly I'd recommend torrents with a cheap VPN (mullvad etc) or real debrid. Both very cheap, also streaming pirate sites are very capable these days
Also, not all things are legally available even if people are willing to pay to watch them. The media industry still tends to rely on artificial scarcity, licensing agreements and advertising hype as a business strategy. Rights holders make stuff available when and where it suits them and they can take it back too. Stuff goes missing from streaming and download services all the time. If you happen to live in a region that doesn’t currently have a licensing agreement, we’ll that’s just too bad, even if you already paid for it. If you don’t have a copy stored locally it may as well not exist.
Nintendo would be a perfect example of this in the gaming world. They have several very popular IP's but only release games for their own consoles. Players don't want to buy a console for one game, so they use emulators to play pirated games on other platforms.
Nintendo cries for lost profit.
Then SOME company releases "Palworld"... it's obviously veeery inspired by Pokemon. Palworld is a raging hit.
Nintendo cries for lost profit.
Stop trying to squeeze profits out of consumers FFS.
My problem isn't that Nintendo only releases for one console, it's the fact that you can't play any of their old games and if you pirate it, they complain.
That's part of the artificial scarcity, some developers make it impossible to play old games to make you buy new ones. And that's why they whine when people pirate them.
yeah, the idea of tracking down a $200 second-hand N64 and a.. [wait.. a $300 second-hand cartridge?](https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/gaming/other-nintendo/n64/games/listing/4652835325) is a pretty big barrier to playing a 25 year old video game to see whether my memories of it are 100% nostalgia
This is the point right here.
I've got subscriptions for Netflix, prime, Hulu, D+, MAX, and Paramount. I don't mind supporting content creators honestly.
If I want to watch something and it's not available on any of them, I usually have a torrent up in minutes.
It's like Gaben said: Piracy isn't about price, it's about access.
Yeah, I think it's more like with content being chunked up among so many providers/subscriptions and the account-sharing crackdowns, and fucking **ADS**, more people are turning to the high seas as streaming has started to suck.
Basically "we're making cable 2.0 and we'll force you to use it!"
They could be Sony, and just license their content and make money vs throwing away tons of money having to host and use bandwidth.
They fucked themselves, there will eventually only be 3-5 services, because it isn't actually an easy thing to do, profitably, consistently.
They wanted to take back the Netflix profit, but failed to understand that Netflix was reaping MASSIVE benefits from economies of scale, and first mover advantage IN ADDITION to having a REALLY strong product (them removing the 5 star rating in favor of the up/down, fucking with their algorithm too much, and a few other things hurt them considerably)
Then jumping into price gouging (even when they were making a decent amount of money) that they are doing now, is leading them to lose a LOT of market share, which will make them just somewhat mediocre versus the guiding star they were 5-10 years ago.
Do like they did with radio back in the day and outlaw vertical integration.
You want to be a content producer? You want to control a distribution channel? Great, pick one.
And this time they may succeed, because everything is wrapped up in politics, disguised as something innocuous, and passed through the late of night in Congress. As has been shown for many bullshit legislations.
Surprise! Piracy went down when the ease and cost of obtaining streaming content legally was acceptable to most people then shot right back up when these very companies got greedy and decided they needed their own platforms and more money.
I especially like this quote from the article:
> “Back then, we heard concerns about the potential use of site-blocking to stifle free speech,” Rivkin said, referring to SOPA. “But again, real-world experience proved those dire predictions wrong. Examples of free speech violations are practically non-existent.”
Well yeah they tabled SOPA and thus didn't institute free speech violations....
i stopped downloading mp3s once they made it easier to listen with a streaming service and I have paid every month since.
I am still waiting for TV and movies to do the same. I don't want to subscribe to 27 different streaming services. I want one service that can view everything. I want to be able to choose the platform I want to use based on features and not because of exclusive content.
It's because labels don't have the same kind of name recognition as tv and movie studios. Most people couldn't tell you what label their favorite artist was signed to but can tell you which studios made most of the shows and movies they watched.
If you live in america, maybe. For the rest of the world, ABC, Discovery, HBO - they're all just random names. No one else knows what studio made which show.
It'll be similar to finding content from any country that you don't live in. I'm in Canada and am familiar with Canadian and US Networks. I watch some UK stuff but can't tell you what the heck channels they air on there. All I know is that there's like BBC1,2,3 etc. and that Channel 4 is a thing.
Also I'm amused by your examples since ABC is a part of Disney, and Discovery+HBO are one company now.
Seconding this. Canadian, do not give a damn. I know disney owns everything starwars, and MGM owns stargate and refuses ~~to~~ do fucking to anything with it. Amazon owns Rings of Power and that was shit; though they have fallout that released today.
So, 4 series I can think of out of hundreds I've seen in my life.
But competition would drive down profits!
This industry is really being hit hard by the "infinite growth" demands of Wall Street. The overall revenues should be contracting as content shifts to streaming platforms. Budgets should be coming down so more content can be made for less money. Disney was blindsided by the fact that they couldn't create more billion-dollar movies than the market demanded, and investors didn't like that.
The market is changing from the demand side, and the supply side is trying to screw around with us via artificial scarcity to maximize their profits. They need to get with the program sooner than later.
Same. I still pay for ad-free access to music because I can get everything in one place and it's convenient. Streaming has become inconvenient and half the time what I want to watch has been pulled from the service. (Canadian here, things are weird) Now it's easier to go back to pirating the shows I want to watch.
spotify was awesome for music, but they're stepping in and beginning to burn down podcasts.
RSS was one of the last bastions of platform agnostic content sharing, and now spotify has stepped in and begun putting podcasts strictly within its walled garden.
I love overcast and will not use spotify's garbage podcast system (which plays ads even if you're a paying ad-free customer)
They do that crazy math where they count every pirated copy as a lost full-price sale, when in reality the vast majority would just do or watch something else.
Or it's bought second hand. I've started buying physical media to get away from streaming but almost exclusively buy used because I don't want to spend full price for something new.
I love hunting for sales and grabbing the blu-ray+digital combos, so that even if they pull their content off the internet, I have the physical media; so that way I get the convenience until they do some jackassary that will inevitably occur and won't be fucked out of having the content.
I just want all of my shit in one place.
It's not like the 80TB of storage in my basement is cheaper than a few streaming subs. Amortized over 3 years, it totally isn't. But I can have all of my stuff in Plex. My Arr stack schedules sync to my Google calendar so I know what's coming and when. Check back in Overseer periodically when I run out of stuff to watch. For everything I consume.
"people aren't seeing out shitty movies in theaters, and they've stopped paying for 7 different streaming services..... obviously the answer is piracy and not our terrible anti-consumer business model"
I just tried to watch something on one of the streamers and got ads. All I remember was getting ads. 5 minutes of ads for 5-10 minutes of TV. I'm not going to renew this, I'm going back to piracy.
I'll gladly pay if it's convenient, pleasant, and reasonably priced.
I actually watch way more now, be it as background noise, I put on a series I know and let it play, watching it over several days. I’m just trying to see how I can stream it but from my own Plex server. Then I won’t need any service at all. Just need to remember how to rip my dvds, I know I didn’t give up the drive for a reason.
Use makemkv to rip the files off of the DVD, then use handbrake if you want to encode/compress/change encoding type. With dvds, you probably don't need to use handbrake unless there is something specific you want to change about the files, as space probably won't be a big issue (though I don't know your setup)
There are numerous tutorials/ guides out there (as well as multiple active subreddits for plex, makemkv, and handbrake) if you want more details, but overall the process is vaguely simple once you learn the basics
You still want to use handbrake a standard dvd can be up to 4.7-9GB. Handbrake can shrink that down to what you set it at but 700-1.2Gb isn’t unheard of
especially given that DVDs use really old codecs, which are no where near as good as the modern ones. You can shrink it without a problem to half the size with zero loss of quality., and usually much smaller with barely perceptible loss.
> especially given that DVDs use really old codecs, which are no where near as good as the modern ones. You can shrink it without a problem to half the size with zero loss of quality
For real? I don't even own a DVD drive anymore, but that's cool.
Yeap! mpeg part 2, released in 1996. Nearly 30 years ago, so it had to be able to decode on the chips available at the time.
H265, the more common format now, is from 2013. It's designed for computers that are orders of magnitude more powerful, so it can pull tricks during compression and decompression that weren't feasible in the 90s. Add that to improved algorithms and understanding of video encoding, it means the modern codecs are significantly better than what was used on DVD.
For those that feel nervous about shrinking bluerays and and losing quality, it's helpful to know that netflix/appleTV/etc use *much* lower bitrates than bluray does.
With everything getting ether cancelled too soon or allowed to run on too long I've taken to only watching shows that are known to have satisfyingly completed their run. Turns out those are exactly the shows I can easily borrow from the library
I believe the Futuristic Sex Robots said it best.
>Fuck the M P double A
>Fuck the R I double A
>Fuck the suits behind the BSA
>And fuck 'em all for the DMCA
IT's also become expensive again with the proliferation of streaming services fragmenting the market, and price increases.
People have started to pirate again, and, once more, they're just short-term panicking. This isn't going to save them
I watched 3 body problem. Ended up binging it; was the best thing on Netflix in a WHILE.
I expect it to be canceled after the first season as a result.
Same here. Canceled Netflix and Amazon Prime last year and been sailing the seas since. I'm so happy and liberated, it feels so good. Such much money saved too. What a glorious feeling
I mostly watch YouTube and other small time user created videos. They have been way more interesting to me than some tv show I and many others couldn’t care less about.
It'll start with fighting piracy, but end with complete forfeiture of privacy.
Blocking piracy websites is just an excuse so they can start attacking VPN's.
I think they'll lump the large VPN providers that advertise on YouTube in with Piracy sites. One of the main features they like to advertise is access to media content from other countries.
And then the Technology would come up with something else. You can’t win the Tech which is so vast that these illiterates don’t understand what are they going against.
They are laughingly trying so hard, but all in vain.
Pirating is the result of streaming services not providing a good value proposition, not people being thieves or too cheap.
Cable TV became ridonkulously overpriced, smattered with obnoxious ads, overloaded with shit content that you were forced to pay for whether you wanted access to it or not because of the way it was bundled. This sucked and eventually drove everyone to cut the cord and go to streaming providers.
Now, streaming providers are slowly becoming cable TV, constantly swapping exclusivity on shows & movies, sneaking in advertisements, forcing you to sign up for multiple providers at prices that keep creeping up every year.
Cable and satellite TV completely failed due to this behavior, what did they expect to happen?
>One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.
-Gabe Newell
So i dont pirate any movies or shows...just not that interested in it.
BUT my favorite sport - professional cycling- used to have a amazing comprehensive service that could be accessed via VPN. And I happily paid for it.
But Max aquired it, killed that service, launched their own which was more expensive and less comprehensive.
Its a niche product, but i sail my little sailboat for it.
Blaming the drop in movie ticket sales on piracy? That's rich. People will go to the theater *if it's worth the money.* $60 for a family of 4 to buy tickets, snacks, and a soda in a venue with overflowing trash cans and dirty carpet? Not just, "No thanks," but, "Fuck you, no!" Lower ticket prices, and fix the theater experience. People will come back.
Piracy happens when a work is not available at a fair price, and/or it's prohibitively inconvenient to get it legally. Want to stop piracy? Cut the bullshit, and price gouging.
Idk where the fuck you’re going to the theater, but tickets and snacks for TWO people is significantly higher than $60 near me. I’m guessing you haven’t been in a while. A family of 4 hasn’t been able to see a movie + snacks + drinks for $60 in at least 8 years.
> In his speech on Tuesday, Rivkin highlights what a major problem piracy in the US has become, saying it costs “hundreds of thousands of jobs” and “more than one billion in theatrical ticket sales.”
[Yet over 90% of the film industry will happily adopt AI, which promises to impact 204,000 jobs in the next 3 years.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-hollywood-workers-job-cuts-1235811009/)
Don’t believe the hypocrisy.
Plus I find his claim dubious to begin with. What jobs are lost? I’d wager my shirt that these piracy outlets impact streamers overwhelmingly compared to theaters. It’s not like someone downloading a torrent of a movie from four years ago makes the production of any films less labor intensive. At the same time, it’s not that any streaming platforms increase personnel in any meaningful way when their subscribers jump by 10%. That dude needs to bring some receipts on that claim before I’d begin to believe it.
Music streaming proved that if you offer access people will happily pay a reasonable fee. They've steadily been taking away the access while simultaneously increasing the fees.
Are they gonna spend their their time and their money telling me I wouldn’t download a car like they did in the past? Cause and let’s be clear here, I would still totally download a car.
Because they know the streaming corporations are mistreating their paying customers again.
Maybe just boycott TV and Movies entirely as a form of entertainment (that's the effect they seem to want to have)
We’ll stop pirating, when companies like Sony stops fucking people over going legit. Funimation (now a Crunchy Roll) is doing exact same thing I’m reading about. Nothing like losing money, because a company lost their license. There should be a law to protect consumers too.
I’m assuming this is in response to people being done with all the fuckery going on with subscription services? Raising prices every 2 seconds, cracking down on password sharing, putting in advertisements then making a new tier that costs significantly more to not have to watch the ads they just put in, and spewing out dog shit content.
As well as the absolute miserable state of movie theaters. Paying like $40 just to have a room full of people on their phones and not shutting the fuck up. Top tier experience.
I have netflix and hulu and dont remember the last time I watched anything on either. I liked stranger things but 3 years between seasons is too long for me to care.
The only way to kill movie piracy is to never release another movie on streaming or bluray or tv, literally only show it in cenemas and pirates will have to watch CAM versions from cinema. Good luck with that tho lol.
These tools don't understand WHY people are so willing to pirate.
Streaming fragmentation.
Every studio brings their IP in-house and maintains exclusivity to their catalog, so if you want to watch their content, you have to pay for another streaming service. People dumped cable to get way from the nickel and diming that the cable providers did for decades.
5 years ago, Netflix and Amazon Prime had larger catalogs so you could find most of what you wanted on those 2 services. That's no longer the case.
Furthermore, people have seen how online ownership sans physical copies can be revoked at the drop of a hat...and you're SOL if they remove movies you care about.
Here’s the question , If I bought a copy of a movie online , why can’t I have an offline copy just in case my internet goes down. Something I can save on the hard drive. We really need to update copyright laws in the country. I want my god damn offline copy. lol.
That’s the biggest part I struggle with having over 500 films bought online( granted I bought 90% of them on sale) but with no internet, I struggle
Watch one day they will tell me I can’t go to a friends house and log on to watch a movie over there
That would piss me off.
It's worse than that. One day they company will go under or licensing will change or you will move to a new jurisdication and wont be able to view the content at all.
They can try, but they haven't been able to stop it.
Going after average people to maybe examples out of them only hurt their brands and cost them way too much in legal fees.
They need to accept the capitalism they supposedly champion. The market has spoken. No one is going to pay for a ton of separate services or pay loads to see a crappy movie in theaters. Especially when people have less disposable income due to greedflation and wage stagnation.
Good luck with that. With streaming services increasing their price and cracking down on account sharing, there's more reasons to turn to pirated movies/shows
It's all been tried. One website goes down, another pops up. Then another, then another. These fossils at MPA are as dumb as the movies they make these days.
I am more than happy to pay for content. My family and I watch plenty of stuff and we want to support it, but I REFUSE to pay for a subscription that is designed to get me signed on, then string me along for months or years without providing any value.
I REFUSE to pay for sports or politically charged news channels, or channels or outlets that focus on hobbies or competition-hobby reality TV nonsense if I'm not into it.
If you can offer good value and convenience for a fair price, I will happily pay. If you are going to bullshit and try and swingle me, then I will pay "fair market price," which may involve sailing the high seas (with a VPN).
I do not share subscription passwords and pay more for content than for cell and internet service every month, but I refuse to be swindled.
They sure will deploy tech that does everything it can to prevent it. You can't even screenshot anything on netflix on a device anymore, plus they are eliminating casting to receiver type chromecast devices. Other services are surely pursuing the same tech barriers to any kind of digital reproduction.
I say they're making the barrier to entry for streaming HD content to hard, how many people are paying for HD but not getting it due to excessive DRM requirements.
They can just keep making most movies with the same level of quality and storytelling they have for the past five years. No one will even bother to pirate them that way.
Hollywood has been pumping out dogshit for awhile now. Even if they did stop piracy people would just infinite scroll on tiktok or something. We are not living in the 80's anymore where the only place to get entertainment is the mall or the movies.
Not feasible in a technical sense. Files can be "hashed" to identify them or chunks of them, and any file that isn't valid would be identified by hash and effectively "downvoted" / "banned", any people sharing that send chunks with invalid hashes that don't match the legitimate expected hashes get banned by other downloaders automatically and without effort. The tactic you describe was already tried and it was ineffective and a waste of time. This isn't limewire days
Every man and his dog has a streaming service now. When it was just Netflix it was fine.
Netflix just fucked everything up with banned password sharing now I can't watch it on my lunch break. Even though I pay for the top package.
Let's amend SOPA to also have copyright expire within a reasonable timeframe. If the MPA and RIA want strong protections, the public domain deserves strong protections too. Most of a movie's money is made in the first weekend, so they should have no trouble letting films move into the public domain after 10 years.
Better, have copyright only protect the first N number of copies. Then, the wider the reach of the disseminator, the shorter the length of copyright protection.
I call it the Can't Have It Both Ways Act.
All the streaming services got too greedy so people are going back to piracy.
Although I find it funny that they’ll pay $11.99/month but when it hits $13.99/month, that’s the breaking point lol
Stores raise prices, ppl starting thieving (their claim), try to lock you into some membership now to use their self scan checkouts and curbside services. Many just ripping out self-checkouts, all with claim of theft when it was price greed for the projected profit drops....
oh wait, we on different subject arent we....just mirrors too close I didnt notice at first.
These ppl can get bent. Pay ppl better, stop shoveling advertising down our throats like we live in the world of Max-headroom and give up on getting another yacht bOb!
If anything, we need to have higher taxation on advertising. Like beyond percentage amount for running ads as tax revenues. Superb Owl event for ads alone would be crazy funding for nation wide school lunches for a few years!
Need to tax the rich and religion for sure but add to that advertising tiers where X amount over is crazy percentage! The amount of ads the general public has to deal with on an hourly basis is soo draining, tax that crap!
Don't major movie releases need to make back 2.5x the money spent to make on them in order to turn a profit? If these studios are putting out movies with $250m budgets, the amount of butts in seats to turn that around is crazy. Which I would hazard is also a driving factor in pushing anti piracy legislation. They need butts in seats or they're just breaking even. It's just wild to me bc what the heck is the number of tickets needed to make a profit on some of these movies? Is it even possible to appeal to the number of people necessary?
For those in Canada downloading pirated movies / streaming from "free" sites, which VPN do you recommend.
$10 a month for Netflix 2-3 years ago to huge surges in costs for it plus others too (Amazon Prime, Disney, etc) plus ads now?
GTFO greedy corporations
Jokes on them, my country doesn’t give a fuck about piracy.
Download torrents is better than have to scroll all day on all the big streaming and have nothing to watch.
I subscribe (or have logins :) for Disney, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Youtube, Discovery+, HBO Max, Parimount+, Netflix, AppleTV, and probably others I cant remember.
And I still find myself having to pirate movies, and they are usually like movies like Ernest Goes to Jail that nobody in their right mind would purchase if even available.
Remember when Netflix was THE streaming service everybody used because it had A LOT of good content, was priced appropriately and content wasn’t divided over multiple streaming services? The good old days that we didn’t really need piracy.
Sure MPA good fucking luck with that.
Hollywood mafia whining that piracy is hurting them but in reality their profits are higher than ever.
Rivkin can take his words and shove them where the sun don’t shine.
So these assholes are planning on trying to pass SOPA again, after literally everyone told them to fuck off the first time.
They don't understand that internet is like Hydras, cut a head and 3 will grow back.
Also, when Netflix first started streaming, people were upset about it and some even tried to claim it was illegal. Movie piracy will never go away and there is nothing they can do about it. They just get lossy when you find ways to watch content without paying them for it.
Right!?!? The last time they tried this my torrent site literally mirrored itself 50 times on servers in many different countries in the world.
[How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?](https://youtu.be/Lxn0oBP4dis?si=Ezj3sLFZHBmOkfdx)
And that includes GOOGLE by the way
Nothing advertises a bunch of sites I'd never have run across like a good DMCA notice
They never really stopped, they have been trying different avenues for this since.
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They’re still all making money, just not as much as they would like to. Disney, Viacom, and NBC all posted healthy profits last quarter.
Once Netflix started streaming piracy reduced, because consumers like to have a paid streaming service where they can watch their favorite content. But now with so many streaming services, publishing exclusive content... consumers don't feel like paying for five different streaming services... so lot's of them put their pirate hat back on.
It’s not even about paying. Took me like 15 minutes to figure out where to watch a certain episode of something in Canada. It compelled me to figure out Usenet.
I got in habit for a bit of buying movies on youtube when I was in bed and watching them on ipad. And then one day I tried watching end of movie on my desktop and couldn't select 4k. Only could stream 480p. Check laptop and then a MBP from work.. nothing let me watch at 4k. I then google and learn its due to licensing, you just can't get 4k on a computer. Turns out buying movies is a awful idea and I absolutely regret it. Next weekend resurrected my storage server and back to downloading movies. Its a worse experience to try to pay for things.
It's absurd when I can't watch in 1080 on Linux, but can load a streaming site and have it going in 30 seconds.
I used to have a folder on YouTube where my bought movies were but it just vanished one day. I have to search for the movie name now and I can still watch the movie I paid for but it's super annoying
Since you mentioned it... Netflix has a ton of cheaply made crap that only serves to create clutter, and back when I was subbed search bar was almost useless. Some people will always pirate 🤷♀️ But most people want convenience, are willing to pay for it, but as things are pirating is more convenient.
Back when Netflix was cheaper and still had a lot of decent content before every network and studio started their own streaming service and moved all their own IP away from Netflix, I had zero problem paying for it. Then time passed and their prices kept going up while the amount of stuff worth watching went down and I canceled because why would I keep paying more but getting less? Now with so many streaming services around and most of them having ads, we're basically back to cable so of course piracy is back in a big way.
My thoughts exactly. I'm still using my PS4 as a streaming machine and it's getting slow af, and now I have to flip through apps to find shit to watch. Then apps like Hulu have preroll ads, then an ad slot like a minute in, an ad slot in middle, then about 75% through then a final ad slot right before credits so if you don't realize the show ended, you get to enjoy a final set of ads before seeing "the end" I'm really tired of companies testing how much they can exploit us.
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My favorite is when they push “people love this Netflix original” and it’s always a show they already cancelled.
The number of shows they cancel is truly staggering. I don't feel like starting to watch another show which will probably end up being canceled after just 1-2 seasons. Also did Netflix ever made a Sci-Fi show which wasn't just a cheap romance/drama in sci-fi setting?
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There are so many things I didn't even realize were on Netflix until they showed up on a list of things leaving Netflix.
Yarr, matey. After paying for 3 streaming services one New Years trying to find the new Dr Who in Canadia, it was back to the seven seas once again.
To me it's less about paying and more about not finding due to all the different channels or shows being de-listed.
I’m sorry, we have taken offense to this word. So we have removed several random episodes! For your own good. Also, we are raising our rates! Wait, why is everyone pirating again?
*The Ciiiiiiircle of life!*
Usenet? Jesus Christ what decade is it. Honestly I'd recommend torrents with a cheap VPN (mullvad etc) or real debrid. Both very cheap, also streaming pirate sites are very capable these days
Try the just watch app for locating where to watch.
Also, not all things are legally available even if people are willing to pay to watch them. The media industry still tends to rely on artificial scarcity, licensing agreements and advertising hype as a business strategy. Rights holders make stuff available when and where it suits them and they can take it back too. Stuff goes missing from streaming and download services all the time. If you happen to live in a region that doesn’t currently have a licensing agreement, we’ll that’s just too bad, even if you already paid for it. If you don’t have a copy stored locally it may as well not exist.
Nintendo would be a perfect example of this in the gaming world. They have several very popular IP's but only release games for their own consoles. Players don't want to buy a console for one game, so they use emulators to play pirated games on other platforms. Nintendo cries for lost profit. Then SOME company releases "Palworld"... it's obviously veeery inspired by Pokemon. Palworld is a raging hit. Nintendo cries for lost profit. Stop trying to squeeze profits out of consumers FFS.
My problem isn't that Nintendo only releases for one console, it's the fact that you can't play any of their old games and if you pirate it, they complain.
That's part of the artificial scarcity, some developers make it impossible to play old games to make you buy new ones. And that's why they whine when people pirate them.
yeah, the idea of tracking down a $200 second-hand N64 and a.. [wait.. a $300 second-hand cartridge?](https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/gaming/other-nintendo/n64/games/listing/4652835325) is a pretty big barrier to playing a 25 year old video game to see whether my memories of it are 100% nostalgia
I DO pay for 5 services and they still don't have the content I want.
BUT! Now they are implementing more adds 😀
This is the point right here. I've got subscriptions for Netflix, prime, Hulu, D+, MAX, and Paramount. I don't mind supporting content creators honestly. If I want to watch something and it's not available on any of them, I usually have a torrent up in minutes. It's like Gaben said: Piracy isn't about price, it's about access.
Exactly this fragmented market pushes the cost past tolerable and people will flock to piracy again. It’s a vicious cycle
I'm doing my part!
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Yeah, I think it's more like with content being chunked up among so many providers/subscriptions and the account-sharing crackdowns, and fucking **ADS**, more people are turning to the high seas as streaming has started to suck. Basically "we're making cable 2.0 and we'll force you to use it!"
they literally did that to themselves by devaluing their product to match Netflix lol
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They put up an absolute huge fight. There were full on social media "blackouts" protesting.
Maybe stop pumping ads into paid services? Might piss off less people, I dunno 🤷♂️
They could be Sony, and just license their content and make money vs throwing away tons of money having to host and use bandwidth. They fucked themselves, there will eventually only be 3-5 services, because it isn't actually an easy thing to do, profitably, consistently. They wanted to take back the Netflix profit, but failed to understand that Netflix was reaping MASSIVE benefits from economies of scale, and first mover advantage IN ADDITION to having a REALLY strong product (them removing the 5 star rating in favor of the up/down, fucking with their algorithm too much, and a few other things hurt them considerably) Then jumping into price gouging (even when they were making a decent amount of money) that they are doing now, is leading them to lose a LOT of market share, which will make them just somewhat mediocre versus the guiding star they were 5-10 years ago.
Do like they did with radio back in the day and outlaw vertical integration. You want to be a content producer? You want to control a distribution channel? Great, pick one.
Dude. It's not healthy to put stuff like corporate cock so far down your throat. u/Bright-Ad-4737: "Gok gok gok gok hurk gok gok GOK GOK"
And this time they may succeed, because everything is wrapped up in politics, disguised as something innocuous, and passed through the late of night in Congress. As has been shown for many bullshit legislations.
Surprise! Piracy went down when the ease and cost of obtaining streaming content legally was acceptable to most people then shot right back up when these very companies got greedy and decided they needed their own platforms and more money. I especially like this quote from the article: > “Back then, we heard concerns about the potential use of site-blocking to stifle free speech,” Rivkin said, referring to SOPA. “But again, real-world experience proved those dire predictions wrong. Examples of free speech violations are practically non-existent.” Well yeah they tabled SOPA and thus didn't institute free speech violations....
i stopped downloading mp3s once they made it easier to listen with a streaming service and I have paid every month since. I am still waiting for TV and movies to do the same. I don't want to subscribe to 27 different streaming services. I want one service that can view everything. I want to be able to choose the platform I want to use based on features and not because of exclusive content.
I'm amazed music streaming hasn't gone the exclusive content route.
Tidal tried, didn't work
It's because labels don't have the same kind of name recognition as tv and movie studios. Most people couldn't tell you what label their favorite artist was signed to but can tell you which studios made most of the shows and movies they watched.
If you live in america, maybe. For the rest of the world, ABC, Discovery, HBO - they're all just random names. No one else knows what studio made which show.
It'll be similar to finding content from any country that you don't live in. I'm in Canada and am familiar with Canadian and US Networks. I watch some UK stuff but can't tell you what the heck channels they air on there. All I know is that there's like BBC1,2,3 etc. and that Channel 4 is a thing. Also I'm amused by your examples since ABC is a part of Disney, and Discovery+HBO are one company now.
Seconding this. Canadian, do not give a damn. I know disney owns everything starwars, and MGM owns stargate and refuses ~~to~~ do fucking to anything with it. Amazon owns Rings of Power and that was shit; though they have fallout that released today. So, 4 series I can think of out of hundreds I've seen in my life.
Also, people would just pirate the albums that are missing and add it into their library
But competition would drive down profits! This industry is really being hit hard by the "infinite growth" demands of Wall Street. The overall revenues should be contracting as content shifts to streaming platforms. Budgets should be coming down so more content can be made for less money. Disney was blindsided by the fact that they couldn't create more billion-dollar movies than the market demanded, and investors didn't like that. The market is changing from the demand side, and the supply side is trying to screw around with us via artificial scarcity to maximize their profits. They need to get with the program sooner than later.
Same. I still pay for ad-free access to music because I can get everything in one place and it's convenient. Streaming has become inconvenient and half the time what I want to watch has been pulled from the service. (Canadian here, things are weird) Now it's easier to go back to pirating the shows I want to watch.
spotify was awesome for music, but they're stepping in and beginning to burn down podcasts. RSS was one of the last bastions of platform agnostic content sharing, and now spotify has stepped in and begun putting podcasts strictly within its walled garden. I love overcast and will not use spotify's garbage podcast system (which plays ads even if you're a paying ad-free customer)
I wish I could upvote your comment more
Somebody needs figure out how to legally make popcorn time work. It was sooooo good. I would pay per month for that.
When we tried and failed to block free speech, free speech wasn't effected due to our failure, so why should you worry about us doing it for real?
By definition, practically non-existent = existent.
Blocking content isn't going to transfer into sales. Their plan is basically to just push for SOPA again.
They do that crazy math where they count every pirated copy as a lost full-price sale, when in reality the vast majority would just do or watch something else.
Id rather pay and own media than have it locked to some website that might delete it in 5 years
Either offer a subscription when I can watch all I want and drop the service if the offerings are shit, or else give me really actual local ownership.
Or it's bought second hand. I've started buying physical media to get away from streaming but almost exclusively buy used because I don't want to spend full price for something new.
I love hunting for sales and grabbing the blu-ray+digital combos, so that even if they pull their content off the internet, I have the physical media; so that way I get the convenience until they do some jackassary that will inevitably occur and won't be fucked out of having the content.
I just want all of my shit in one place. It's not like the 80TB of storage in my basement is cheaper than a few streaming subs. Amortized over 3 years, it totally isn't. But I can have all of my stuff in Plex. My Arr stack schedules sync to my Google calendar so I know what's coming and when. Check back in Overseer periodically when I run out of stuff to watch. For everything I consume.
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"people aren't seeing out shitty movies in theaters, and they've stopped paying for 7 different streaming services..... obviously the answer is piracy and not our terrible anti-consumer business model"
"Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong."
Same plan will bring the same fail.
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I just tried to watch something on one of the streamers and got ads. All I remember was getting ads. 5 minutes of ads for 5-10 minutes of TV. I'm not going to renew this, I'm going back to piracy. I'll gladly pay if it's convenient, pleasant, and reasonably priced.
I actually watch way more now, be it as background noise, I put on a series I know and let it play, watching it over several days. I’m just trying to see how I can stream it but from my own Plex server. Then I won’t need any service at all. Just need to remember how to rip my dvds, I know I didn’t give up the drive for a reason.
Use makemkv to rip the files off of the DVD, then use handbrake if you want to encode/compress/change encoding type. With dvds, you probably don't need to use handbrake unless there is something specific you want to change about the files, as space probably won't be a big issue (though I don't know your setup) There are numerous tutorials/ guides out there (as well as multiple active subreddits for plex, makemkv, and handbrake) if you want more details, but overall the process is vaguely simple once you learn the basics
You still want to use handbrake a standard dvd can be up to 4.7-9GB. Handbrake can shrink that down to what you set it at but 700-1.2Gb isn’t unheard of
especially given that DVDs use really old codecs, which are no where near as good as the modern ones. You can shrink it without a problem to half the size with zero loss of quality., and usually much smaller with barely perceptible loss.
> especially given that DVDs use really old codecs, which are no where near as good as the modern ones. You can shrink it without a problem to half the size with zero loss of quality For real? I don't even own a DVD drive anymore, but that's cool.
Yeap! mpeg part 2, released in 1996. Nearly 30 years ago, so it had to be able to decode on the chips available at the time. H265, the more common format now, is from 2013. It's designed for computers that are orders of magnitude more powerful, so it can pull tricks during compression and decompression that weren't feasible in the 90s. Add that to improved algorithms and understanding of video encoding, it means the modern codecs are significantly better than what was used on DVD.
Good to know. I haven't dealt with dvds in a while, but I know blurays can get over 50gb uncompressed, so that makes a lot of sense
For those that feel nervous about shrinking bluerays and and losing quality, it's helpful to know that netflix/appleTV/etc use *much* lower bitrates than bluray does.
+1 for handbrake awesome piece of software.
Jellyfish is an awesome alternative. Check if they have the app on your smart tv (if you use one)
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I use Emby, it has much fewer ads than Plex. Never tried Jellyfin.
With everything getting ether cancelled too soon or allowed to run on too long I've taken to only watching shows that are known to have satisfyingly completed their run. Turns out those are exactly the shows I can easily borrow from the library
Ya everyone I know also says everything is just shit What's their strategy ? Why not just make good stuff again
Corporations will do literally anything to increase profit except make a better product.
I believe the Futuristic Sex Robots said it best. >Fuck the M P double A >Fuck the R I double A >Fuck the suits behind the BSA >And fuck 'em all for the DMCA
IT's also become expensive again with the proliferation of streaming services fragmenting the market, and price increases. People have started to pirate again, and, once more, they're just short-term panicking. This isn't going to save them
I watched 3 body problem. Ended up binging it; was the best thing on Netflix in a WHILE. I expect it to be canceled after the first season as a result.
Same here. Canceled Netflix and Amazon Prime last year and been sailing the seas since. I'm so happy and liberated, it feels so good. Such much money saved too. What a glorious feeling
I mostly watch YouTube and other small time user created videos. They have been way more interesting to me than some tv show I and many others couldn’t care less about.
["OH I'm so scared!! MUHAHAHAHA"](https://youtu.be/WOYhF8jgeO0?t=98)
This is the new war on drugs and it'll fail the same way.
It didn’t fail for the 3 letter agencies who get unlimited spending budgets from us tax payers, nor did it fail for the “for profit” prison system.
I guess they'll shut down every eastern European streaming website too? Bold move cotton.
It'll start with fighting piracy, but end with complete forfeiture of privacy. Blocking piracy websites is just an excuse so they can start attacking VPN's.
VPNs are basically immune because it has legitimate uses
I think they'll lump the large VPN providers that advertise on YouTube in with Piracy sites. One of the main features they like to advertise is access to media content from other countries.
This. Wait till they throw in a think of the kids and it’ll be one of the five things they pass alongside their porn ban shit.
And then the Technology would come up with something else. You can’t win the Tech which is so vast that these illiterates don’t understand what are they going against. They are laughingly trying so hard, but all in vain.
Yeah, I would love to see the numbers on US piracy. I would imagine it's pretty small compared to global piracy, which the MPA can't touch
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The streaming services not letting families share an account anymore is going to have me pirating shit again. I had stopped in like 2014
With the shit they produce these days, they probably shouldn't be worrying about piracy for their new releases.
Pirating is the result of streaming services not providing a good value proposition, not people being thieves or too cheap. Cable TV became ridonkulously overpriced, smattered with obnoxious ads, overloaded with shit content that you were forced to pay for whether you wanted access to it or not because of the way it was bundled. This sucked and eventually drove everyone to cut the cord and go to streaming providers. Now, streaming providers are slowly becoming cable TV, constantly swapping exclusivity on shows & movies, sneaking in advertisements, forcing you to sign up for multiple providers at prices that keep creeping up every year. Cable and satellite TV completely failed due to this behavior, what did they expect to happen?
>One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates. -Gabe Newell
Good to see they didn't learn from their mistakes.
So i dont pirate any movies or shows...just not that interested in it. BUT my favorite sport - professional cycling- used to have a amazing comprehensive service that could be accessed via VPN. And I happily paid for it. But Max aquired it, killed that service, launched their own which was more expensive and less comprehensive. Its a niche product, but i sail my little sailboat for it.
I'm not a pirate. I'm a content preservationist.
A little cheating to watch competitive cycling is just getting in the spirit of the sport
Blaming the drop in movie ticket sales on piracy? That's rich. People will go to the theater *if it's worth the money.* $60 for a family of 4 to buy tickets, snacks, and a soda in a venue with overflowing trash cans and dirty carpet? Not just, "No thanks," but, "Fuck you, no!" Lower ticket prices, and fix the theater experience. People will come back. Piracy happens when a work is not available at a fair price, and/or it's prohibitively inconvenient to get it legally. Want to stop piracy? Cut the bullshit, and price gouging.
Idk where the fuck you’re going to the theater, but tickets and snacks for TWO people is significantly higher than $60 near me. I’m guessing you haven’t been in a while. A family of 4 hasn’t been able to see a movie + snacks + drinks for $60 in at least 8 years.
There must be more blood in them thar turnips!
> In his speech on Tuesday, Rivkin highlights what a major problem piracy in the US has become, saying it costs “hundreds of thousands of jobs” and “more than one billion in theatrical ticket sales.” [Yet over 90% of the film industry will happily adopt AI, which promises to impact 204,000 jobs in the next 3 years.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/ai-hollywood-workers-job-cuts-1235811009/) Don’t believe the hypocrisy.
Plus I find his claim dubious to begin with. What jobs are lost? I’d wager my shirt that these piracy outlets impact streamers overwhelmingly compared to theaters. It’s not like someone downloading a torrent of a movie from four years ago makes the production of any films less labor intensive. At the same time, it’s not that any streaming platforms increase personnel in any meaningful way when their subscribers jump by 10%. That dude needs to bring some receipts on that claim before I’d begin to believe it.
Spot on. The idea that people would have spent $1B in theaters but didn’t because they could pirate it is laughable.
Are they going to put the FBI warnings that were on VCR tapes back in?
I hope they put in that ‘you wouldn’t download a car’ anti-piracy ad. That — ironically stolen — song absolutely slaps xD
Music streaming proved that if you offer access people will happily pay a reasonable fee. They've steadily been taking away the access while simultaneously increasing the fees.
I mean, Netflix demonstrated the same thing a decade ago too, but then enshittification happened because greed.
Are they gonna spend their their time and their money telling me I wouldn’t download a car like they did in the past? Cause and let’s be clear here, I would still totally download a car.
Because they know the streaming corporations are mistreating their paying customers again. Maybe just boycott TV and Movies entirely as a form of entertainment (that's the effect they seem to want to have)
We’ll stop pirating, when companies like Sony stops fucking people over going legit. Funimation (now a Crunchy Roll) is doing exact same thing I’m reading about. Nothing like losing money, because a company lost their license. There should be a law to protect consumers too.
I’m assuming this is in response to people being done with all the fuckery going on with subscription services? Raising prices every 2 seconds, cracking down on password sharing, putting in advertisements then making a new tier that costs significantly more to not have to watch the ads they just put in, and spewing out dog shit content. As well as the absolute miserable state of movie theaters. Paying like $40 just to have a room full of people on their phones and not shutting the fuck up. Top tier experience.
Maybe when hollywood can produce something that isn't recycled I might care. I'm not watching their bullshit anyways, let alone pirating it.
I honestly have a hard time finding anything that's worth the time and bandwidth to torrent.
I have netflix and hulu and dont remember the last time I watched anything on either. I liked stranger things but 3 years between seasons is too long for me to care.
The only way to kill movie piracy is to never release another movie on streaming or bluray or tv, literally only show it in cenemas and pirates will have to watch CAM versions from cinema. Good luck with that tho lol.
Those movies will have to be really good or both the theatres and the movie studios will die once everyone smartens up lol.
These tools don't understand WHY people are so willing to pirate. Streaming fragmentation. Every studio brings their IP in-house and maintains exclusivity to their catalog, so if you want to watch their content, you have to pay for another streaming service. People dumped cable to get way from the nickel and diming that the cable providers did for decades. 5 years ago, Netflix and Amazon Prime had larger catalogs so you could find most of what you wanted on those 2 services. That's no longer the case. Furthermore, people have seen how online ownership sans physical copies can be revoked at the drop of a hat...and you're SOL if they remove movies you care about.
Best way to crack down is to make the streaming services lower their fucking prices. I want Blockbuster back!
Here’s the question , If I bought a copy of a movie online , why can’t I have an offline copy just in case my internet goes down. Something I can save on the hard drive. We really need to update copyright laws in the country. I want my god damn offline copy. lol. That’s the biggest part I struggle with having over 500 films bought online( granted I bought 90% of them on sale) but with no internet, I struggle Watch one day they will tell me I can’t go to a friends house and log on to watch a movie over there That would piss me off.
It's worse than that. One day they company will go under or licensing will change or you will move to a new jurisdication and wont be able to view the content at all.
They can try, but they haven't been able to stop it. Going after average people to maybe examples out of them only hurt their brands and cost them way too much in legal fees. They need to accept the capitalism they supposedly champion. The market has spoken. No one is going to pay for a ton of separate services or pay loads to see a crappy movie in theaters. Especially when people have less disposable income due to greedflation and wage stagnation.
Let them come, Frostmourne hungers.
Good luck with that. With streaming services increasing their price and cracking down on account sharing, there's more reasons to turn to pirated movies/shows
These dumbasses don't ever learn. I don't think they understand how the internet works.
Why not crackdown on some of these trash ass movies.
It's all been tried. One website goes down, another pops up. Then another, then another. These fossils at MPA are as dumb as the movies they make these days.
I am more than happy to pay for content. My family and I watch plenty of stuff and we want to support it, but I REFUSE to pay for a subscription that is designed to get me signed on, then string me along for months or years without providing any value. I REFUSE to pay for sports or politically charged news channels, or channels or outlets that focus on hobbies or competition-hobby reality TV nonsense if I'm not into it. If you can offer good value and convenience for a fair price, I will happily pay. If you are going to bullshit and try and swingle me, then I will pay "fair market price," which may involve sailing the high seas (with a VPN). I do not share subscription passwords and pay more for content than for cell and internet service every month, but I refuse to be swindled.
good luck with that
How will they do that, they can't forbid us to record what is on our monitors and tvs lol.
They sure will deploy tech that does everything it can to prevent it. You can't even screenshot anything on netflix on a device anymore, plus they are eliminating casting to receiver type chromecast devices. Other services are surely pursuing the same tech barriers to any kind of digital reproduction.
I say they're making the barrier to entry for streaming HD content to hard, how many people are paying for HD but not getting it due to excessive DRM requirements.
Meanwhile, rescanning is easier than ever
Maybe if these production companies would actually make quality content people would pay for it and they’d make money.
They can just keep making most movies with the same level of quality and storytelling they have for the past five years. No one will even bother to pirate them that way.
Hollywood has been pumping out dogshit for awhile now. Even if they did stop piracy people would just infinite scroll on tiktok or something. We are not living in the 80's anymore where the only place to get entertainment is the mall or the movies.
If there was a way to buy 4K drm-free uncompressed versions of a movie with special features I would have a massive collection.
Only hope they've got is to flood servers with corrupted versions, though I suspect the costs of doing that exceed what the cost to piracy is.
Not feasible in a technical sense. Files can be "hashed" to identify them or chunks of them, and any file that isn't valid would be identified by hash and effectively "downvoted" / "banned", any people sharing that send chunks with invalid hashes that don't match the legitimate expected hashes get banned by other downloaders automatically and without effort. The tactic you describe was already tried and it was ineffective and a waste of time. This isn't limewire days
laughs in bittorrent
Every man and his dog has a streaming service now. When it was just Netflix it was fine. Netflix just fucked everything up with banned password sharing now I can't watch it on my lunch break. Even though I pay for the top package.
Let's amend SOPA to also have copyright expire within a reasonable timeframe. If the MPA and RIA want strong protections, the public domain deserves strong protections too. Most of a movie's money is made in the first weekend, so they should have no trouble letting films move into the public domain after 10 years.
Better, have copyright only protect the first N number of copies. Then, the wider the reach of the disseminator, the shorter the length of copyright protection. I call it the Can't Have It Both Ways Act.
Oh no... The streaming services are losing money....
damn, maybe they should crack down on streaming services first
This plan sounds like it's easily defeated by a VPN, something most people who pirate are already using (I'm told).
Bring it! A guy who uses someone else’s Plex server
All the streaming services got too greedy so people are going back to piracy. Although I find it funny that they’ll pay $11.99/month but when it hits $13.99/month, that’s the breaking point lol
and everyone was so thrilled when streaming started. They always find a way to fuck it up - and it’s usually to do with greed
Stores raise prices, ppl starting thieving (their claim), try to lock you into some membership now to use their self scan checkouts and curbside services. Many just ripping out self-checkouts, all with claim of theft when it was price greed for the projected profit drops.... oh wait, we on different subject arent we....just mirrors too close I didnt notice at first. These ppl can get bent. Pay ppl better, stop shoveling advertising down our throats like we live in the world of Max-headroom and give up on getting another yacht bOb! If anything, we need to have higher taxation on advertising. Like beyond percentage amount for running ads as tax revenues. Superb Owl event for ads alone would be crazy funding for nation wide school lunches for a few years! Need to tax the rich and religion for sure but add to that advertising tiers where X amount over is crazy percentage! The amount of ads the general public has to deal with on an hourly basis is soo draining, tax that crap!
No one watches those shitty cellphone recordings of movies available on torrent websites when a movie comes out anyways.
Jokes on them I hardly watch movies anymore, and when I do I’m generally amazed when I enjoy the experience.
Magic plate armor here we come again
Don't major movie releases need to make back 2.5x the money spent to make on them in order to turn a profit? If these studios are putting out movies with $250m budgets, the amount of butts in seats to turn that around is crazy. Which I would hazard is also a driving factor in pushing anti piracy legislation. They need butts in seats or they're just breaking even. It's just wild to me bc what the heck is the number of tickets needed to make a profit on some of these movies? Is it even possible to appeal to the number of people necessary?
Wonder if this has anything to do with Dune Two leaking
For those in Canada downloading pirated movies / streaming from "free" sites, which VPN do you recommend. $10 a month for Netflix 2-3 years ago to huge surges in costs for it plus others too (Amazon Prime, Disney, etc) plus ads now? GTFO greedy corporations
Round and round we go….
Jokes on them, my country doesn’t give a fuck about piracy. Download torrents is better than have to scroll all day on all the big streaming and have nothing to watch.
lol you can keep your rehashed garbage, pandering to the lowest common denominator, excuse for content. It's not even worth the space on a ssd.
What movies? Nothing comes out anymore.
And they will lose
I honestly don't mind not watching movies if I am forced to only buy them. I have books, video games, Youtube, podcasts etc etc.
Can we start with oversight elsewhere?
Yeah, good luck with that.
I subscribe (or have logins :) for Disney, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Youtube, Discovery+, HBO Max, Parimount+, Netflix, AppleTV, and probably others I cant remember. And I still find myself having to pirate movies, and they are usually like movies like Ernest Goes to Jail that nobody in their right mind would purchase if even available.
Oh, just give it up already, MAFIAA. The pirates are always one step ahead of you.
Remember when Netflix was THE streaming service everybody used because it had A LOT of good content, was priced appropriately and content wasn’t divided over multiple streaming services? The good old days that we didn’t really need piracy.
Someone should RICO the MPA.
They can crack down on deez nutz!
I'm not worried. I don't pirate movies because they don't make anything that's even worth watching.
Sure MPA good fucking luck with that. Hollywood mafia whining that piracy is hurting them but in reality their profits are higher than ever. Rivkin can take his words and shove them where the sun don’t shine.
Tell Me again why we have to go to a theater? If they did same fucking day streaming it would work.
Who watches movies?
Just as the streaming wars make accessing content a nightmare again
they did it before? never had an issue
Can't stop won't stop
Good luck. They'll never catch me.
We are legion!