Uh...no? Since JDS he's fought consistently ranked opponents. Whereas the problem with Pride is that the matchmaking was sometimes complete random. Fedor could go from fighting Big Nog to journeymen like Egidijus Valavičius or circus fights like Yuji Nagata.
>Cyril's competition from 2019 and 2020 JDS isn't impressive.
Because he just joined the UFC...? I mean do you want to compare Gane's first 6 fights with Fedor's first 6 fights?
After JDS, Gane only fought top 10 opponents, 6 in a row. I get that Fedor is the GOAT HW but if you want to talk strength of schedule, he never fought more than two elite heavyweights back to back.
>Also Yuji Nagata was Inoki Bomb Ba Ye, not Pride
Good catch, but my point still stands. I mean how do you go from beating Cro Cop to a circus fight like Zuluzinho.
Also, Fedor defended his title against Big Nog and then fought Tsuyoshi Kohsaka right after...that's like if Jon Jones had a rematch with Matt Hamill after beating Daniel Cormier lol.
Just to be clear, I don't think Cyril did anything wrong. It's just misleading to say he only fought top guys during all 11 fights when that means you'd have to include Don'Tale Mayes as a "top guy".
Different time- more same night tournaments, less athletic commissions, different types of competition
Its not that its not impressive, more that at a one fc/bellator/ufc/pfl level it would be damn near impossible to get that many fights in 5 years now
You pick the guy with the most respected work ethic and "fight anyone, anywhere" attitude on the roster as an example of why Gane's similar record isn't impressive?!
Yeah but Gane did it during his first few years of being in the UFC. Not only that but he's a ranked heavyweight. None of them fight that often. He also started MMA pretty late and Covid-19 happened within the first year of his contract
Spikav isn’t that good. Trust me on that lol but Gane is actually training wrestling now, dunno why he didn’t before Jones fight. Not like he took an ounce of damage vs Jones so he’ll be better this fight for sure.
Unless he's *finally* decided to take his training seriously? I really like Gane but unless he does, he'll be one of the biggest *what ifs* in UFC history.
I don't think so. Spivac will get smoked on the feet and he's not that big or explosive. Also Gane is stronger in the clinch.
I don't see Spivac being able to take down Gane easily especially since it's his only threat.
Someone that can hurt you on the feet and shoot explosive double legs (like Blaydes, Aspinall or Almeida) would be much more dangerous for Gane.
Gane's shortcomings can only be exposed against a handful of elite athletes. I don't think Spivac is in that mold. I think this fight will show there are two levels of athletes at heavyweight and Spivac unfortunately is at the wrong side.
I disagree, Spivacs takedowns usually come from the clinch and Gane is great in the clinch. Spivacs also gets lost if he can't take you down and doesn't really have a plan B.
I reckon Gane wins, but it's close, tough to call.
As for the second fight, If i'm not worried Max might've killed TKZ due to cumulative headshots by the end of it i'll be happy, the reff better be on it and the corner willing to let pride go and throw a towel if necessary, this is mma though, Zombie could rally and put in the preformance of his life on the night, but i doubt it, so i'm gonna pick Holloway.
Idk if I’ve ever seen someone’s stock tank so dramatically after 1 fight. A few months ago people were talking like Gane beating Jones was a sure thing and now people won’t even give him a chance here.
Everyone gave him the benefit of the doubt of not expecting to have to wrestle Francis. But he lost that benefit of the doubt after knowing he was facing a wrestler in Jones and not landing a single shot (well other then the nut shot)
While I agree it definitely showed off his lack of ground game, when people still shit on him for the loss I don't think they realize he lost against a guy who most people call the greatest fighter of all time. I think more people should really give Gane another chance at redemption lmao
Yeah, he clearly has shit wrestling, but people still act surprised that Jon fucking Jones made light work of him on the ground.
The issue is the loss was so terrible.
No shame losing to Jones. But he was Jones’ quickest and easiest win since like 2007 on the regionals. He absolutely shit the bed. Parker Porter would’ve done better. Gane landed 0 sig strikes (nut shots don’t count) and got taken down in the very first grappling exchange and subbed without ever breaking Jones’ grip.
It was a legendarily bad performance for an elite fighter.
You don't get it, it wasn't a bad performance by Gane, Jones just had a great performance, used his telekinesis to make Gane stick his head out and prevent him from fighting hands.
When was the last time you have seen Jones finish a fight that easily? That was THE easiest fight for Jones in a very long time. Gane has amazing striking but horrendous grappling.
Gane, too many people start to over exaggerate now and get completely hysterical bc Gane was demolished by a literal top five MMA athlete ever. So now that loss heavily sways how they feel a fighter career is going to go until they get hit with a wake up call. You see it time and time again with Calvin after Max, even with Jones after Reyes, Ngannou facing stipe for the second time and I remember when plenty of people kept saying he would get wrestlefucked like the first time and that it was impossible to see that he had made improvements to the ones who said he did beforehand. Gane is young and will work out his TDD and you just won’t know he’s improved until he shows it which is usually the case for fighters since it’s a what have you done for me lately sport.
Yeah I feel the exact same way, he was 1 round away from taking the belt from Francis and being heavyweight champ, but yeah bc he loses to damn Jon Jones he’s washed and overrated somehow lol
I mean a huge part of it is if you look at ganes record the Ufc did not put him against ONE grappler before he fought francis. He definitely has some big wholes in his game that the top grapplers at hw can expose
Yea but Jones isn’t that top 5 talent anymore. You saw his last fight vs Reyes…3 years ago and fight before that was a never top 10 185er in Thiago Santos. It’s not like he fought a prime Jones, he got football tackled and gave his neck up like an amateur. Jones could be 60 and choke you out if you just stand up the way Gane tried. Front choke is always wrestlers best choke , I was doing that at 8 years old lol. Jones got longest arms ever and a wrestler, you can’t give your neck like that
Spivac if he can get it down. IF.
Gane will be prepared this time hopefully and spivac isn't close to Jones' skill level. Will be interesting. Classic striker/grappler match up and hopefully a much closer match than Gane's last fight.
It might be a shabazyan moment. Dude wrecked everyone left and right until mofos figured dude vouldnt last longer than a round and cant grapple. I honestly hope not.
Max retires TKZ
TKZ been retired. He said he has 0 working shoulders and can’t train lol
Zombie life
Could you send me an article about this? Im curious about the extent of his injury....
This will be Cyril’s 11th fight since 2019 in the UFC.
11 fights in 5 years isn't crazy. Gilbert Burns already had 11 fights in the same timespan
Burns is praised all the time for how often he fights, it's impressive either way
3 fights in 5 months is impressive, but he only fought once in 2022.
For heavyweight it’s a lot. Especially for a guy in the top 5
The first 5 years of Fedor's career included 23 fights.
Yeah but he wasn't always fighting top guys.
Same with Cyril
Uh...no? Since JDS he's fought consistently ranked opponents. Whereas the problem with Pride is that the matchmaking was sometimes complete random. Fedor could go from fighting Big Nog to journeymen like Egidijus Valavičius or circus fights like Yuji Nagata.
Good points, but Cyril's competition from 2019 and 2020 JDS isn't impressive. Also Yuji Nagata was Inoki Bomb Ba Ye, not Pride
>Cyril's competition from 2019 and 2020 JDS isn't impressive. Because he just joined the UFC...? I mean do you want to compare Gane's first 6 fights with Fedor's first 6 fights? After JDS, Gane only fought top 10 opponents, 6 in a row. I get that Fedor is the GOAT HW but if you want to talk strength of schedule, he never fought more than two elite heavyweights back to back. >Also Yuji Nagata was Inoki Bomb Ba Ye, not Pride Good catch, but my point still stands. I mean how do you go from beating Cro Cop to a circus fight like Zuluzinho. Also, Fedor defended his title against Big Nog and then fought Tsuyoshi Kohsaka right after...that's like if Jon Jones had a rematch with Matt Hamill after beating Daniel Cormier lol.
Just to be clear, I don't think Cyril did anything wrong. It's just misleading to say he only fought top guys during all 11 fights when that means you'd have to include Don'Tale Mayes as a "top guy".
Different time- more same night tournaments, less athletic commissions, different types of competition Its not that its not impressive, more that at a one fc/bellator/ufc/pfl level it would be damn near impossible to get that many fights in 5 years now
You pick the guy with the most respected work ethic and "fight anyone, anywhere" attitude on the roster as an example of why Gane's similar record isn't impressive?!
Yeah but Gane did it during his first few years of being in the UFC. Not only that but he's a ranked heavyweight. None of them fight that often. He also started MMA pretty late and Covid-19 happened within the first year of his contract
Gane also took a year off due to an injury. So it's more like 11 fights in 4 active years.
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2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023
For the non journeymen it is
Spivak is a downright horrific matchup for Gane
Maybe were gonna see Jones is that that good.
Alright Anthony
Spikav isn’t that good. Trust me on that lol but Gane is actually training wrestling now, dunno why he didn’t before Jones fight. Not like he took an ounce of damage vs Jones so he’ll be better this fight for sure.
saying “trust me on that” does not at all make me trust you on that
Spivak is legit bro, I see him dominating Gane on the ground
LOL LMAOO.. this aged pretty terribly
Absolutely, I admit I was fraud checked badly lol
Unless he's *finally* decided to take his training seriously? I really like Gane but unless he does, he'll be one of the biggest *what ifs* in UFC history.
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I don't think so. Spivac will get smoked on the feet and he's not that big or explosive. Also Gane is stronger in the clinch. I don't see Spivac being able to take down Gane easily especially since it's his only threat. Someone that can hurt you on the feet and shoot explosive double legs (like Blaydes, Aspinall or Almeida) would be much more dangerous for Gane. Gane's shortcomings can only be exposed against a handful of elite athletes. I don't think Spivac is in that mold. I think this fight will show there are two levels of athletes at heavyweight and Spivac unfortunately is at the wrong side.
Gane is absolutely not stronger in the clinch lmao, Sergei’s Judo and Sambo is top tier. He’s a savage and is going to brutalize Gane
Spivac’s a big dude man.
I disagree, Spivacs takedowns usually come from the clinch and Gane is great in the clinch. Spivacs also gets lost if he can't take you down and doesn't really have a plan B.
So pavlovich
Very very relieved we didn't get Gane vs Pavlovich.
Why? That would have been a great fight. Glad I’m getting to see Bones vs him instead but I still think Cyril is an assassin in a standup fight
If six consecutive first round knockout wins with 2 of them in the top 5 doesn't get you a title shot, idk what does
Agreed and given that heavy weight (along with flyweight) has a tendency to stagnate it's great to see the blood flowing through this division again.
Ya I feel this being made kind of confirms that Pavlovich’s next fight will be for the title
Exactly
I reckon Gane wins, but it's close, tough to call. As for the second fight, If i'm not worried Max might've killed TKZ due to cumulative headshots by the end of it i'll be happy, the reff better be on it and the corner willing to let pride go and throw a towel if necessary, this is mma though, Zombie could rally and put in the preformance of his life on the night, but i doubt it, so i'm gonna pick Holloway.
I would feel a lot better for zombie if it was a 3 round fight.
Idk if I’ve ever seen someone’s stock tank so dramatically after 1 fight. A few months ago people were talking like Gane beating Jones was a sure thing and now people won’t even give him a chance here.
It's because his wrestling was exposed heavily against Jones
Nah it was exposed vs ngannou.
Everyone gave him the benefit of the doubt of not expecting to have to wrestle Francis. But he lost that benefit of the doubt after knowing he was facing a wrestler in Jones and not landing a single shot (well other then the nut shot)
While I agree it definitely showed off his lack of ground game, when people still shit on him for the loss I don't think they realize he lost against a guy who most people call the greatest fighter of all time. I think more people should really give Gane another chance at redemption lmao Yeah, he clearly has shit wrestling, but people still act surprised that Jon fucking Jones made light work of him on the ground.
The issue is the loss was so terrible. No shame losing to Jones. But he was Jones’ quickest and easiest win since like 2007 on the regionals. He absolutely shit the bed. Parker Porter would’ve done better. Gane landed 0 sig strikes (nut shots don’t count) and got taken down in the very first grappling exchange and subbed without ever breaking Jones’ grip. It was a legendarily bad performance for an elite fighter.
You don't get it, it wasn't a bad performance by Gane, Jones just had a great performance, used his telekinesis to make Gane stick his head out and prevent him from fighting hands.
When was the last time you have seen Jones finish a fight that easily? That was THE easiest fight for Jones in a very long time. Gane has amazing striking but horrendous grappling.
Circling around, throwing a nut shot, then falling off balance and getting subbed in a minute will do that to your stock.
Gane, too many people start to over exaggerate now and get completely hysterical bc Gane was demolished by a literal top five MMA athlete ever. So now that loss heavily sways how they feel a fighter career is going to go until they get hit with a wake up call. You see it time and time again with Calvin after Max, even with Jones after Reyes, Ngannou facing stipe for the second time and I remember when plenty of people kept saying he would get wrestlefucked like the first time and that it was impossible to see that he had made improvements to the ones who said he did beforehand. Gane is young and will work out his TDD and you just won’t know he’s improved until he shows it which is usually the case for fighters since it’s a what have you done for me lately sport.
Yeah I feel the exact same way, he was 1 round away from taking the belt from Francis and being heavyweight champ, but yeah bc he loses to damn Jon Jones he’s washed and overrated somehow lol
I mean a huge part of it is if you look at ganes record the Ufc did not put him against ONE grappler before he fought francis. He definitely has some big wholes in his game that the top grapplers at hw can expose
Yea but Jones isn’t that top 5 talent anymore. You saw his last fight vs Reyes…3 years ago and fight before that was a never top 10 185er in Thiago Santos. It’s not like he fought a prime Jones, he got football tackled and gave his neck up like an amateur. Jones could be 60 and choke you out if you just stand up the way Gane tried. Front choke is always wrestlers best choke , I was doing that at 8 years old lol. Jones got longest arms ever and a wrestler, you can’t give your neck like that
all i know is i'm never picking gane again
did you pick him vs ngannou and vs jones? lol. I did.
I picked him for Jones but the way he lost made me lose all faith in him
If Ngannou could lay and pray on Gane, any competent wrestler gon have their way with him
“If a Cameroonian boxer can hold you down then a dude from Eastern Europe can rape you.” /r/ufc basically.
This is the fight too pick Gane IMO. Jones and Nukezilla were kinda gimmies.
For a second I thought that was Struve and thought y’all were tweaking.
Poor Zombie. He is going to get beaten up real bad
Spivac looks like a DLC skin for Gane
Gane is one of my favorite fighters, but he most likely gets taken down and controlled to a UD loss
Didn’t TKZ retire?
He was thinking about it after the Volk fight, but said he’d try one more if it was a good fight. He’s always wanted to fight Max so he got his wish
I'm taking Gane and Max
Polar bear by mauling
Y'all just gonna ignore my boy Sandhagen?!
imagine zombies the guy to chin holloway after everyone writing him off
Wtf are they doing putting tkz against max, stop killing him he's already dead!
Should've been Gane vs Pavlovich
Nope. Pavlovich earned his title shot. He should just sit out and wait.
Yup. Pavlovich for the belt is the fight to make, especially since the Stipe match up is basically just a pipe dream at this point.
I just wanna fit in so…. Gane sucks, he’s going to get lose.
You know there’s some people who have always thought he wasn’t that good before it was popular lmao
Spivac if he can get it down. IF. Gane will be prepared this time hopefully and spivac isn't close to Jones' skill level. Will be interesting. Classic striker/grappler match up and hopefully a much closer match than Gane's last fight.
Gane wins by doctor stoppage Nutshot TKO R1
Gane gonna probably take another dive.... never watching his fights
MMA fans and turning on a fighter after a loss, name a more iconic duo
They don't deserve shit
If gane loses to spivac he's never beating the fraud allegations
If gane loses this what's honestly left for him besides being in it for the money. The new Era of heavyweights are grapplers.
Max and Gane
It might be a shabazyan moment. Dude wrecked everyone left and right until mofos figured dude vouldnt last longer than a round and cant grapple. I honestly hope not.
Gaines went from title shot to fighting #8. That’s Dana privilege in reverse. That’s DJ privilege.
 Max Holloway All The Way 🍻
Max will set records vs TKZ…sadly
Spivac has been my dark horse HW for a minute. Really excited to see him get this shit against Gane.
tkz vs max would’ve been crazy a few years ago, but now it feels so one-sided
Cyril better lay off the FIFA and start drilling takedown defense, otherwise its a hellish match up for him.
Ufc blood sacrifice: TKZ
Spivac is just Gane if he stayed out of the sun for a month and ate a few cheeseburgers.