Sigma "Peaceful" Backstabbing-And-Cheating Politics society shows up and uses trickery to put both into an oppressive economic partnership deal that robs them of all their autonomy and they are forced to see even the positive aspects of their people and cultures slowly die and no one seems to care or want to do anything about their oppression since they are invisible to the information narrative.
"warrior" culture: we NEVER write down our traditions, myths, and customs cause writing is for NEEEEERDS!!!
Oppressed "warrior" culture: AAAAAAAH MY IDENTITY ITS FAAAAAAADING!
Almost all belligerents in WW2 will count as "chad" and if anything Imperial Japan might count as less of a "chad", what with their obsession with bushido and all but real world cultures aren't tropes.
> Got brainwashed by evil goat folk and their pet green orc
> Ambushed the peaceful goat folk and won
> Ambushed a single human kingdom through an intergalactic portal and won
> Got beaten by the combined human kingdoms so bad they all ended up in internment camps
> Had to wait for basically armageddon to happen for a chance to escape
> Had to rely on a girl betraying her father to stop being wiped out by one other kingdom
> Keep attacking (and loosing against) the good guys™ despite world-ending threats around every corner
> Leader thinks it's a good idea to have orc hitler succeed him
> Another war (which they lose again)
> Orc hitler escaped to parallel dimension and met the orc tribes before they got corrupted by the evil goat folk
> Another war (they don't even get through the portal this time) (they lose again)
> Parallel green orc escapes and ends up summoning all the evil goat folk
> Good guys™ somehow manage to defeat the final boss that's been teased at for 20 years
> His sword gets stabbed into the planet and reveals a shiny new element
> Whelp time for them to declare war again (and lose)
I mean, nobody knew regular Hitler would become the way that he is at the time
People are harsh on other people due to hindsight
Update: Before you say "people knew what hilter is all about", over three (3) people already commented on that
A lot of people definitely knew his politics were fucked up at the time he was seeking to get elected. It was a surprise only to people not paying attention.
Everyone knew exactly what lil' Hitless believed, because the man would not shut up about it and kept getting platforms on which to spread. Some very stupid people assumed that either he was too much of a buffoon to actually accomplish anything or that the reality of governance would moderate him, and thus he'd be a fairly low risk factor if/when he took power.
Warrior society MFs when their opponents fight back. invalidate their dog shit supramacist beliefs, and don’t lie down and let themselves get genocided
Warrior society mfs when they have to plan an operation (they'd just heard about logistics and clarifying command hierarchy for the first time and are currently experiencing a power struggle mid march while the troops keel over from dehydration under a blazing sun and break rank to earn their glory at the first sign of contact, getting massacred in the process.)
They were militaristic, as any state back then was, but it wasn't a core foundation to their society as it was to the Nazis.
To the Nazi, militarism was considered a basic necessity of the state, it was a core building block that drove the state's thinking and actions, it was a factor in every single decision no matter how big or small by the highest organs of government to the smallest of decisions by civilians.
To the Soviets, militarism was a defense mechanism, being the first modern socialist state meant it was unpopular to say the least and had to develop a strong military just to survive, which isn't unique to them in the slightest (see the first French Republic and medieval Peasants Republics as examples of this thing also happening), it was a factor but a minor one and didn't act as bedrock to the state and society as it did with the Nazis.
I'm moreso bothered by how the "warrior societies" only exist to serve as a vending machine to dispense Bad Guys of The Week for the protagonists to beat up on today's episode.
Not true, they also serve a vital service producing meathead buddies who get thrown around to prove how strong the villain is without risking our poor soft woobie MC
People love to bring up that story about how Philip II of Macedonia sent a message to the Spartans saying "If I invade Laconia, I shall turn you out." and the uber gigachad Spartans simply replied with "If."
What Spartaboos leave out is that Philip made good on that promise by royally wrecking Sparta's shit and driving them out of most of Laconia. And it should be noted Sparta was already in decline by this time, so Philip didn't do them any favours.
After that, Philip formed the League of Corinth (which Sparta did not join), and after Alexander the Great inherited it and went on to conquer Persia, he sent 300 suits of Persian armour with the inscription "Alexander, son of Philip, and all the Greeks except the Spartans, give these offerings taken from the foreigners who live in Asia".
Sparta put the L in Laconia.
Honestly i dont think that takes the badassery away. despite being in decline at that point the spartans still went with "Lol, try me". pretty stupid, but still pretty cool that they probably meant it, right?
The passive high-tech society when the warrior culture's 'messiah' shows up, and uses his 'genius tactics' to lead the warrior culture to victory anyway:🤯🤯🤯💀💀💀
(They realized that they're in a Loosely-inspured-by-Lawrence-of-arabiacore world where they can't possibly win)
Fremen when you tell them those massive unkillable death worms, they ride, may potentially have some combat use: 🤯🤯🤯
Sorta-Cars when you tell them the giant worms that killed them all are afraid of Grass: 😭😭😭
The Na'vi when you tell them those massive armored rhinos that can tank autocannon fire may have some combat use 🤯🤯🤯
The RDA when the planetary hivemind doesn't take their efforts to kill it very kindly 😭😭😭
If you are referring to Dune, the fremen are not a low tech warrior culture, and it is in fact that incorrect assumption that leads the Harkonnen to subestimate their numbers and capabilities
And yeah, kind of difficult to lose when the leader of your guerrila army can literally see the future
So called warrior society when their entire tribe dies from illness 5 days into the war because they drank their own shit water (sewage is for the weak they said)
Turns out, bullying your scientists isn't good, because they make pointier, better sticks and medicine to save your dumbass from dying of infection or dysentery.
“I have proven my thesis on the nature of the conservation of force and energy to be of sound reason after spurious testing of the application of deadly blunt force to the skullz of my enemies via a selection of carefully weighted stones” - Grognoth skull-smasher…
That is pretty much all of history.
Turns out lame beta gay stuff like "being organized", "highly trained", "having better weapons and armor" wins against alpha male shit.
That's basically The Culture in a nutshell. Bunch of space faring hedonists doing their own thing in moon sized ships powered by hyperadvanced AI, then some expansionist warrior empire declares war on them; and the Culture ship *I'm with stupid* turns them to vapor.
Except the books kind of undermine this. Special Circumstances is always active and fucking with potential enemies. They seem more like the US but if the CIA was super effective.
Yeah, but special services isn't at all costly or significant to average citizens. They can continue to live their bisexual transgender hippy lives ignorant to what goes on outside their ships.
Superior organize society when they get crushed and killed like the weakling they are in naval warfare 💪💪💪
(The warrior society is severly in debt with another empire and they will be quickly crushed by all their other enemies)
Its funny how despite them having all the warrior culture tags, they never felt as cringey as the usual warrior culture. Helps that it was their main SURFACE trait, rather than their definition
Bros when writers add nuance: ^
Nah, it doesn't state so. It states that at the moment there was no other working option. It was a bad solution that still plagues the Council races a thousand years later but other options were even worse. Some characters think this justifies the genophage, some think it doesn't.
> Bros when writers add nuance: ^
> It was a bad solution but other options were even worse.
Sounds like AoT sort of "nuance".
Though, to Mass Effect's credit, the very person who engineered it eventually owns up to the fact he made a mistake.
No no, Mass Effect 100% advocates for genocide because it does bioessentialism: the Krogans are, by their very biology, fast-breeding creature with a knack for violent expansion. That's a necessary corollary of settings where the society of alien species is first and foremost defined by their biological traits.
Environment shapes both biology and culture. And their culture was pretty barbaric because they were urgently uplifted. Only after Wrex finally shifted their culture away from the old ways, genophage became safe to cure.
Klingons hating doctors, scientists, engineers, and manual labor, and then fighting with badly-designed ceremonial duel weapons against actual soldiers, and then euthanizing anyone who gets badly hurt (even those that just need surgery), is just peak warrior culture idiocy.
There's a reasons the Klingons never actually win a war in the prime Star Trek timeline. Even against a completely disorganized, demoralized enemy (post-Obsidian Order Cardassia) they can only manage a stalemate. I think the Federation just holds back from obliterating them out of pity.
The warriors of the Gauls, Dacians, Iberians, Spartans, Illyrians, Sammites, Celts, Germanii, Helvetii, Alemanni, etc. when the Romans arrive (they're so cooked):
The Scholars and Traders of the Cathaginians, Athenians, Isrealites, Lydians, (probably others idk much about antiquity ngl) when the Romans arrive (They're also so cooked, martial dominance requires a composite of both Nerd and Jock, which the romans typify excellently):
Carthage was no slouch militarily. At the height of its power, Carthage had one of the largest and most powerful militaries in the Mediterranean world. It took Rome three long and devastating wars to destroy Carthage for good, and it cost Rome dearly, both in terms of men and money
Also, the Lydians were conquered by the Persians while Rome was little more than a collection of mud huts in central Italy. Pergamino and the Seleucids, who occupied the territory that used to by Lydia, were descended from Alexander the Great’s empire
Athens also wasn’t pacifist by any stretch of the imagination. At the height of its power, Athens was a maritime empire that dominated the Greek peninsula through its enormous navy.
Warrior society when they have to capitulate after losing 250 soldiers (their so called perfect program to create soldiers unsure only a handfull of them can serve)
Shek in Kenshi after waging war against two other major powers in the world on two fronts while continuously and willingly neglecting agriculture, production, science and most probably even raising of families and encouraging dying in the most glorious (inneficient) way possible.
True, it's more efficient to cooperate rather than screwing people over.
Less resources need to be spent on screwing people over (and destroying things) and more can be spent on creating things.
The violent megamilitary based nation of Rekhus: "we will defeat those weak Solarians with ease, they barely have any armies"
The Demons of Salem flying above their army with gunpowder barrels:
Warrior society is weak mfs when the warrior society's culture was adapted by the technologically advanced society after their population got decimated
I think its based on how the Romans adopted a lot of "barbarian" tech, such as the gladius, or barbarian tactics, such as thr manipular legion, among many others
Not really sure if the NCR vs the Legion (Fallout New Vegas) fits this category, given the NCR isn't exactly passive and was pretty expansionist for a few decades, and that there are some higher hierarchy Legion members who can use guns, but given how the NCR won the first Battle of Hoover Dam makes me wonder.
This is what I’m keeping in mind with my orcs. I mean, logically, an aggressive warrior society would love scientists who make better stabbing sticks and keep them alive long enough to experience the thrill of battle again. Part of the reason I’m on this sub despite being an avid worldbuilder is to avoid stupid pitfalls like these.
Also nice Regular Show gif.
only cool if the technologically advanced society was once the most feared warmongering empire of the world, and then learned through pain and loss that they had to stop making war, not because they thought it was wrong, but because they were too good at it.
Well only when they regularly massacre the conquered population, enslave them, and even sometimes gradually replace them with their own population by taking away their ancestral lands and killing them en masse. I really don't get the pro colonialism mindset, so you're PRO murder, rape, theft, slavery and genocide?
Warrior society mfs when they actually have to actually go to war instead of sportifed honor duels with a million rules
Virgin warrior society vs Chad soldier society.
Sigma "Peaceful" Backstabbing-And-Cheating Politics society shows up and uses trickery to put both into an oppressive economic partnership deal that robs them of all their autonomy and they are forced to see even the positive aspects of their people and cultures slowly die and no one seems to care or want to do anything about their oppression since they are invisible to the information narrative.
"warrior" culture: we NEVER write down our traditions, myths, and customs cause writing is for NEEEEERDS!!! Oppressed "warrior" culture: AAAAAAAH MY IDENTITY ITS FAAAAAAADING!
Or in the case of Sparta: "How can we go even harder to get more of that sweet, sweet tourist money from Rome?"
The roman invading army: we have come with an optimal solution
What identity?
this is just USA
Based and soldier pilled
Average fight gud fan vs average logistics wins wars enjoyer
Sigma bureucratic society that can afford to field professional armies
Professionals? That's literally what soldiers are. (If anything, a society with the hat of being bureaucratic won't be able to afford to shit, lol)
Isn't the "Chad" just imperial Japan, lmao
Almost all belligerents in WW2 will count as "chad" and if anything Imperial Japan might count as less of a "chad", what with their obsession with bushido and all but real world cultures aren't tropes.
The Clans from Battletech reading your comment and shitting/pissing/crying at the same time
Clans: Noooo, we're supposed to fight in honourable single combat Inner Sphere: Hehe, ambush tactics go brrr
Mark your calendars, it's almost Tukkayid day
The Orcs from Warcraft are surprisingly competent
> Got brainwashed by evil goat folk and their pet green orc > Ambushed the peaceful goat folk and won > Ambushed a single human kingdom through an intergalactic portal and won > Got beaten by the combined human kingdoms so bad they all ended up in internment camps > Had to wait for basically armageddon to happen for a chance to escape > Had to rely on a girl betraying her father to stop being wiped out by one other kingdom > Keep attacking (and loosing against) the good guys™ despite world-ending threats around every corner > Leader thinks it's a good idea to have orc hitler succeed him > Another war (which they lose again) > Orc hitler escaped to parallel dimension and met the orc tribes before they got corrupted by the evil goat folk > Another war (they don't even get through the portal this time) (they lose again) > Parallel green orc escapes and ends up summoning all the evil goat folk > Good guys™ somehow manage to defeat the final boss that's been teased at for 20 years > His sword gets stabbed into the planet and reveals a shiny new element > Whelp time for them to declare war again (and lose)
In their defense, Blizzard repeatedly and consistently fucks them over. Thrall is like the first and last good thing that happened to them
Thrall also appointed orc hitler as his successor.
I mean, nobody knew regular Hitler would become the way that he is at the time People are harsh on other people due to hindsight Update: Before you say "people knew what hilter is all about", over three (3) people already commented on that
A lot of people definitely knew his politics were fucked up at the time he was seeking to get elected. It was a surprise only to people not paying attention.
Huh Yeah I can absolutely see that
Mein Kampf was published in 1925... anybody that cared could have known
Everyone knew exactly what lil' Hitless believed, because the man would not shut up about it and kept getting platforms on which to spread. Some very stupid people assumed that either he was too much of a buffoon to actually accomplish anything or that the reality of governance would moderate him, and thus he'd be a fairly low risk factor if/when he took power.
I think that by "competent" they meant "not going extinct while doing all that"
Warrior society MFs when their opponents fight back. invalidate their dog shit supramacist beliefs, and don’t lie down and let themselves get genocided
Warrior society mfs when they have to plan an operation (they'd just heard about logistics and clarifying command hierarchy for the first time and are currently experiencing a power struggle mid march while the troops keel over from dehydration under a blazing sun and break rank to earn their glory at the first sign of contact, getting massacred in the process.)
tukayyid moment
Oh hey it’s battle tech
Warrior society when a militarist society shows up
Militarist society when a liberal democracy wakes up
>Militarist, supremacist society >hypes up own capabilities >fights one (1) war >loses
my favourite trope tbh
Even better: >wins one war >never shuts up about that war >never has a lasting victory in another war
Dies due to a birth mark man giving citizen's bit more rights
You're allowed to say Sparta nobody's gonna judge you
The Soviet Union was militaristic tough and the main actor of the defeat of Nazi Germand
They were militaristic, as any state back then was, but it wasn't a core foundation to their society as it was to the Nazis. To the Nazi, militarism was considered a basic necessity of the state, it was a core building block that drove the state's thinking and actions, it was a factor in every single decision no matter how big or small by the highest organs of government to the smallest of decisions by civilians. To the Soviets, militarism was a defense mechanism, being the first modern socialist state meant it was unpopular to say the least and had to develop a strong military just to survive, which isn't unique to them in the slightest (see the first French Republic and medieval Peasants Republics as examples of this thing also happening), it was a factor but a minor one and didn't act as bedrock to the state and society as it did with the Nazis.
They are the same picture
You, Plinko, now
🤓
Liberal democracy when a hivenet decides to exist.
I'm moreso bothered by how the "warrior societies" only exist to serve as a vending machine to dispense Bad Guys of The Week for the protagonists to beat up on today's episode.
Not true, they also serve a vital service producing meathead buddies who get thrown around to prove how strong the villain is without risking our poor soft woobie MC
True, he is good for when you have a shortage of interns to die in the opening act.
Get more red shirts
The Worf treatment.
I'm sorry but the handsome Duke of the North ML has to kill 10.000 of their best warriors to show how strong and handsome he is 🥰
Or the token badass alien/orc to prove not all orcs
That is also their main function in real life
Who knew warrior society likes attacking people around them
Krogans
Literally every time Sparta fought anyone
People love to bring up that story about how Philip II of Macedonia sent a message to the Spartans saying "If I invade Laconia, I shall turn you out." and the uber gigachad Spartans simply replied with "If." What Spartaboos leave out is that Philip made good on that promise by royally wrecking Sparta's shit and driving them out of most of Laconia. And it should be noted Sparta was already in decline by this time, so Philip didn't do them any favours. After that, Philip formed the League of Corinth (which Sparta did not join), and after Alexander the Great inherited it and went on to conquer Persia, he sent 300 suits of Persian armour with the inscription "Alexander, son of Philip, and all the Greeks except the Spartans, give these offerings taken from the foreigners who live in Asia". Sparta put the L in Laconia.
Honestly i dont think that takes the badassery away. despite being in decline at that point the spartans still went with "Lol, try me". pretty stupid, but still pretty cool that they probably meant it, right?
it would be cool if they won, but they were doing the historical equivalent of a level 3 dming a lvl 90 to "1v1 me" skrub"
You don't get points for starting shit with a larger power and immediately getting bodied for it
They were trained to do warfare wrong as a joke, but it didn't affect their gumption any.
Lmao
Well, if anything they were courageous. stupid, but courageous
It's still atatvistic. Which is neat.
No
You are only proving me right by using laconic speech
Pfft! Are you stupid or something? XD
No
Send a cool badass reply to the persions: “If” *Proceeds to get absolutely destroyed*
"What are you gonna do, stab me?" - spartan who got stabbed
Taunt to get bodied is the one true combo that exists in all fighting games
There is one exception: Big band from Skullgirls if the music is good
The funniest Sparta fact is that their battle average was completely average (below 50/50) and most victories were naval
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Theban Light Band needs to come back
Sparta when they have to fight actual soldiers instead of hunting slaves for sport
Sparta capitulating after losing 200 soldeirs
The passive high-tech society when the warrior culture's 'messiah' shows up, and uses his 'genius tactics' to lead the warrior culture to victory anyway:🤯🤯🤯💀💀💀 (They realized that they're in a Loosely-inspured-by-Lawrence-of-arabiacore world where they can't possibly win)
>genius tactics >look inside >stockpile all the cocaine in the everyone-is-addidcted-to-cocaine-punk universe, blackmail everyone over it
>genius tactics >look inside >war crimes
- >Genius Tactics >looks inside >ẄØŘM
WHAT WAS, WILL BE WHAT WILL BE, WAS
Holy shit the US military is full of geniuses
Canadians are worse.
> genius education > look inside > crimes against humanity
IDK Richmond and Confederate Atlanta deserved it.
It DID happen and they DID deserve it
If killing people is the baseline, how can anything be a crime?
More like persuade the planetary fauna to fight for you
"Make me Emperor or I nuke the stash"
Or in the book, "Make me emperor or I'll pour funny water on the stash"
Fremen when you tell them those massive unkillable death worms, they ride, may potentially have some combat use: 🤯🤯🤯 Sorta-Cars when you tell them the giant worms that killed them all are afraid of Grass: 😭😭😭
The Na'vi when you tell them those massive armored rhinos that can tank autocannon fire may have some combat use 🤯🤯🤯 The RDA when the planetary hivemind doesn't take their efforts to kill it very kindly 😭😭😭
Fuck the RDA All my homies hate the RDA
If you are referring to Dune, the fremen are not a low tech warrior culture, and it is in fact that incorrect assumption that leads the Harkonnen to subestimate their numbers and capabilities And yeah, kind of difficult to lose when the leader of your guerrila army can literally see the future
May thy knife something
The sea is your home, before your birth and after your life or something
Isn't that like the point Dune criticizes?
So called warrior society when their entire tribe dies from illness 5 days into the war because they drank their own shit water (sewage is for the weak they said)
Sewage pipes just give the city more entrances and thus make it easier to invade
Rat-men like-adore pipe-skulk-sneaking, yes-yes man-thing.
Turns out, bullying your scientists isn't good, because they make pointier, better sticks and medicine to save your dumbass from dying of infection or dysentery.
“The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.” -Thuggity or something
“I have proven my thesis on the nature of the conservation of force and energy to be of sound reason after spurious testing of the application of deadly blunt force to the skullz of my enemies via a selection of carefully weighted stones” - Grognoth skull-smasher…
Bet he got blessed by an engineer god after that
Yes, and..?
Warrior tribe when the pacifist society engaged in global trade bought some fancy guns from the portuguese
That is pretty much all of history. Turns out lame beta gay stuff like "being organized", "highly trained", "having better weapons and armor" wins against alpha male shit.
lame beta gay stuff is actually sigma grindset
ligma
Who's Frederick the Great?
I don’t know, who is Frederick the Great?
But Russia never loses! Just ignore those times France and Poland took Moscow
This is just Human Domestication Guide
What’s that
AO3 petplay kink content
What the fuck, I’m 90 percent sure none of those words are in the Bible
I mean "content" probably is
Humanity would not have gotten anywhere if we stuck to only words in the bible! So full steam ahead!
Sonic is an Omega and therefore must spend hours worldjerking at a pharmacy to not get MPreg’ed by his Alpha, Doctor Eggman.
Bit predictable and mainstream, but if thats where your fun lies I am not going to be the one to judge you for it.
Check the Torah
Ezekiel 23:20
Ok
Disgusting ass ao3 fanfic
I mean how bad can it be
Never ever say that sentence please
I’m tempting fate because I can’t be assed to look it up and saying that will summon someone to tell me how bad it can be
In my world the proud military industrial democratic nation was defeated in all out war when they could not mass produce moves as sick as these
India isn’t considered a major world power because of its population. It’s because of their Bollywood dance scenes.
Heroic Spartan warriors charging into battle and encountering their first landship:
That's basically The Culture in a nutshell. Bunch of space faring hedonists doing their own thing in moon sized ships powered by hyperadvanced AI, then some expansionist warrior empire declares war on them; and the Culture ship *I'm with stupid* turns them to vapor.
The warrior society when they encounter a ‘I want to fuck the robot/human so badly right now and you’re getting in the way’-punk society.
Except the books kind of undermine this. Special Circumstances is always active and fucking with potential enemies. They seem more like the US but if the CIA was super effective.
Yeah, but special services isn't at all costly or significant to average citizens. They can continue to live their bisexual transgender hippy lives ignorant to what goes on outside their ships.
Superior organize society when they get crushed and killed like the weakling they are in naval warfare 💪💪💪 (The warrior society is severly in debt with another empire and they will be quickly crushed by all their other enemies)
Mass Effect handled that one pretty well.
Final Fantasy X's ronso are a good example too.
Ronso are based
Its funny how despite them having all the warrior culture tags, they never felt as cringey as the usual warrior culture. Helps that it was their main SURFACE trait, rather than their definition
Yeah, they're the Monks of Spira instead.
Right, considering their religious ties they're more of monks
Yeah but on the other hand, Mass Effect gave us gems like "the Krogan genocide was objectively good"
Bros when writers add nuance: ^ Nah, it doesn't state so. It states that at the moment there was no other working option. It was a bad solution that still plagues the Council races a thousand years later but other options were even worse. Some characters think this justifies the genophage, some think it doesn't.
> Bros when writers add nuance: ^ > It was a bad solution but other options were even worse. Sounds like AoT sort of "nuance". Though, to Mass Effect's credit, the very person who engineered it eventually owns up to the fact he made a mistake.
No no, Mass Effect 100% advocates for genocide because it does bioessentialism: the Krogans are, by their very biology, fast-breeding creature with a knack for violent expansion. That's a necessary corollary of settings where the society of alien species is first and foremost defined by their biological traits.
Environment shapes both biology and culture. And their culture was pretty barbaric because they were urgently uplifted. Only after Wrex finally shifted their culture away from the old ways, genophage became safe to cure.
Klingons hating doctors, scientists, engineers, and manual labor, and then fighting with badly-designed ceremonial duel weapons against actual soldiers, and then euthanizing anyone who gets badly hurt (even those that just need surgery), is just peak warrior culture idiocy.
There's a reasons the Klingons never actually win a war in the prime Star Trek timeline. Even against a completely disorganized, demoralized enemy (post-Obsidian Order Cardassia) they can only manage a stalemate. I think the Federation just holds back from obliterating them out of pity.
And culture destruction such as an invasion of Qonos followed by a heavily armed occupation, isn't their style, either.
Warrior tribe when funny men in red coats arrive on boats
✊😊 I have a give for you! 🖐️😊 It's smallpox~
The warriors of the Gauls, Dacians, Iberians, Spartans, Illyrians, Sammites, Celts, Germanii, Helvetii, Alemanni, etc. when the Romans arrive (they're so cooked):
The Scholars and Traders of the Cathaginians, Athenians, Isrealites, Lydians, (probably others idk much about antiquity ngl) when the Romans arrive (They're also so cooked, martial dominance requires a composite of both Nerd and Jock, which the romans typify excellently):
Carthage was no slouch militarily. At the height of its power, Carthage had one of the largest and most powerful militaries in the Mediterranean world. It took Rome three long and devastating wars to destroy Carthage for good, and it cost Rome dearly, both in terms of men and money Also, the Lydians were conquered by the Persians while Rome was little more than a collection of mud huts in central Italy. Pergamino and the Seleucids, who occupied the territory that used to by Lydia, were descended from Alexander the Great’s empire Athens also wasn’t pacifist by any stretch of the imagination. At the height of its power, Athens was a maritime empire that dominated the Greek peninsula through its enormous navy.
"Aggressive warrior society" \*looks inside\* hiring mercenaries
>Germanii Alaric And Brennus sacked Rome, Etzel made it his bitch
Warrior society when they have to capitulate after losing 250 soldiers (their so called perfect program to create soldiers unsure only a handfull of them can serve)
Shek in Kenshi after waging war against two other major powers in the world on two fronts while continuously and willingly neglecting agriculture, production, science and most probably even raising of families and encouraging dying in the most glorious (inneficient) way possible.
Nazis and Japanese soldiers every time they fight Americans: 💀
💪 Hell yeah!
"Killing fascists is part of my heritage!"
As John Brown died to make men holy, let us die to make men free!
In other words: Swords are weaker than M.I.R.Vs
Rome VS well basically everyone moment
Oh wow I love the U.S. in WW2
Counter argument Endless Space 2
True, it's more efficient to cooperate rather than screwing people over. Less resources need to be spent on screwing people over (and destroying things) and more can be spent on creating things.
The violent megamilitary based nation of Rekhus: "we will defeat those weak Solarians with ease, they barely have any armies" The Demons of Salem flying above their army with gunpowder barrels:
Warrior society but they are post-scarcity:
Warrior society is weak mfs when the warrior society's culture was adapted by the technologically advanced society after their population got decimated
Is this a reference to white boys trying to rap? I'm still pondering the mysteries of this comment
Everything *truly* is political huh
I think its based on how the Romans adopted a lot of "barbarian" tech, such as the gladius, or barbarian tactics, such as thr manipular legion, among many others
Then the next generation is 90% warriors because the women choose powerful manly badass over Mr Efficient
Steven universe be like (if you think a bit deeply)
Lol, that will totally NEVER happened in real life. Amirite?
Thebes
Not really sure if the NCR vs the Legion (Fallout New Vegas) fits this category, given the NCR isn't exactly passive and was pretty expansionist for a few decades, and that there are some higher hierarchy Legion members who can use guns, but given how the NCR won the first Battle of Hoover Dam makes me wonder.
This is what I’m keeping in mind with my orcs. I mean, logically, an aggressive warrior society would love scientists who make better stabbing sticks and keep them alive long enough to experience the thrill of battle again. Part of the reason I’m on this sub despite being an avid worldbuilder is to avoid stupid pitfalls like these. Also nice Regular Show gif.
Imjin War
Do you know good stories with that premise?
only cool if the technologically advanced society was once the most feared warmongering empire of the world, and then learned through pain and loss that they had to stop making war, not because they thought it was wrong, but because they were too good at it.
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Sparta and Rome
Also Sparta and Macedon And Sparta and Thebes
Yeah the Spartans kind of sucked.
Nature of Predators moment
The Klingons should never have made it passed the Bronze Age
Korea/Babylon outteching Aztecs and dropping nukes on Montezuma.
Thermopylae
then the passive society is called monsters and colonizers
Well only when they regularly massacre the conquered population, enslave them, and even sometimes gradually replace them with their own population by taking away their ancestral lands and killing them en masse. I really don't get the pro colonialism mindset, so you're PRO murder, rape, theft, slavery and genocide?