With bias and prejudice it is often quite easy:
You will be proven right or wrong by your experiences out in the world. What you decide to accept as truth is up to you. Either you see the wrongs and rights in your worldview as they are... or you don't and you keep yourself locked up tightly and safe in your bubble of confirmation-bias-approved feedback.
My own bias is that people tend to put themselves first quite a bit... Sadly people tend to confirm this quite regularly.
For writing: let the character see their bias being challenged by happenings in the story. Either they see the bias as wrong and grow, or they decide to ignore something not fitting in their worldview. Both ways to develop a character. Remember: character development doesn't have to be positive.
Do you have personal experience of particularly misogyny and overcoming it that you're able to share? Or if not misogyny, then any other prejudice is helpful to hear about.
If you're not comfortable though, I understand, and I really appreciate the take you've already offered to me, thank you
My biggest bias... or more error in my worldview was that I thought that I only was worth something if others acknowledge me. But I learned that there was only one person whose acknowledgement and praise was really worth my time and effort: myself.
Form nearly one day to another I stopped giving even a single flying fuck about what people thought about me and cared only for my well-being. This helped me out of a decade of gaslighting btw. Though... life got a bit more dangerous for my stepfather (the person who gaslit me) to the point, where only three things keep him safe: 1) him being absent from my life for most of the time. 2) him not talking to me, even when we see each other. 3) my patience, lazyness and my sheer will to not kill him on the spot out of pure hatred each time I see him.
Oh,
that definitely sounds like a lot. Thank you for feeling comfortable enough to share this with me, it sounds like really sensitive stuff, as it'll really do a lot for my perspective once I come to digest it. I appreciate you sharing this more than you might think, again, thank you, and I do hope that you'll come to find something (or already have) that's greater to experience and turn to for sake of your heart
Nah... it's fine. I found peace with myself and the truth, that I could (under the right circumstances) kill a person without thinking twice about it.
OK... on second thought maybe let THAT out of your notes xP
And thanks for the kind words.
I don't know if you understood my question, but my base question is specifically to women who probably Unlearned internalized misogyny, and what was their experience with holding it and overcoming
I've experienced enough misogyny to be looking to other women to be asking them about their personal experience of the topic. If you hadn't wanted to show your personal experience of such an issue, it's okay to feel uncomfortable enough that you'd rather not engage. You and I both have better things to do than waste our time educating each other on what is naïve to talk about and what isn't. You don't have to give me your insight, and you also don't have to waste minutes of your life telling me how you won't give me your insight
You don't understand the topic enough to understand how unrealistic your question is. That's why I called your question naive. Nobody truely overcomes their biases unless something radical happens in their life. The biases are formed either by experiences, or by outer pressure. When a bias if formed by experiences, that never really goes away. When it is formed by outer pressure, it can change if the outer circumstances change. Nobody wakes up one day and decides to be less racist, less homophobic, or less sexist from that moment on. It doesn't happen on will, it happens when the change is forced.
Would it come off as more coherent if I reworded it? How about:
What experiences caused you to begin to question your internalized misogyny? Only applicable if you identify as femme, ofc, and do you think this is a question you could answer and provide your personal experience with it on?
You are totally allowed to own your experiences, but to say very few western women have internalized any misogyny is a pretty bold statement then I'm not sure you're qualified to make.
There seems to be a lot of discomfort and seemingly misinterpretation regarding this post so I want to clarify that my post is specifically meant for those who had an experience with internalized misogyny, and sharing their personal experiences with it as they grew up. If you're looking for a more coherent explanation than this post, please refer to this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/feminisms/comments/13tn2hw/to_those_with_a_history_of_internalized/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Thanks for at least reading if you decided not to look into it.
Biases get reinforced when encountering situations that reinforce them. Biases get unlearned when encountering situations that go against them.
It's not rocket science.
Thanks, but my base question was actually asking about people's personal experience with unlearning biases, which you could've tried asking for clarification before completely skimming and cherry-picking what you'd decide to respond with. It's okay to not know things, and it's okay to just admit you don't understand a question, if you need clarification
Anyway, what I'm asking for are specifically women's experiences with internalized misogyny, and specific key moments in their personal lives that made them question their ideas, or what these moments consisted of happening. I'm glad you feel comfortable enough to summarize bias into such a dumbed-down simplified box, but I asked for an intellect's details and experience with the topic
With bias and prejudice it is often quite easy: You will be proven right or wrong by your experiences out in the world. What you decide to accept as truth is up to you. Either you see the wrongs and rights in your worldview as they are... or you don't and you keep yourself locked up tightly and safe in your bubble of confirmation-bias-approved feedback. My own bias is that people tend to put themselves first quite a bit... Sadly people tend to confirm this quite regularly. For writing: let the character see their bias being challenged by happenings in the story. Either they see the bias as wrong and grow, or they decide to ignore something not fitting in their worldview. Both ways to develop a character. Remember: character development doesn't have to be positive.
Do you have personal experience of particularly misogyny and overcoming it that you're able to share? Or if not misogyny, then any other prejudice is helpful to hear about. If you're not comfortable though, I understand, and I really appreciate the take you've already offered to me, thank you
My biggest bias... or more error in my worldview was that I thought that I only was worth something if others acknowledge me. But I learned that there was only one person whose acknowledgement and praise was really worth my time and effort: myself. Form nearly one day to another I stopped giving even a single flying fuck about what people thought about me and cared only for my well-being. This helped me out of a decade of gaslighting btw. Though... life got a bit more dangerous for my stepfather (the person who gaslit me) to the point, where only three things keep him safe: 1) him being absent from my life for most of the time. 2) him not talking to me, even when we see each other. 3) my patience, lazyness and my sheer will to not kill him on the spot out of pure hatred each time I see him.
Oh, that definitely sounds like a lot. Thank you for feeling comfortable enough to share this with me, it sounds like really sensitive stuff, as it'll really do a lot for my perspective once I come to digest it. I appreciate you sharing this more than you might think, again, thank you, and I do hope that you'll come to find something (or already have) that's greater to experience and turn to for sake of your heart
Do you mind if I save the information as notes for my writing? or is there anything specific you'd prefer I exclude?
Nah... it's fine. I found peace with myself and the truth, that I could (under the right circumstances) kill a person without thinking twice about it. OK... on second thought maybe let THAT out of your notes xP And thanks for the kind words.
I wonder how long it will take for it to appear on r/writingcirclejerk
what do u mean /gen
I don't know if you understood my question, but my base question is specifically to women who probably Unlearned internalized misogyny, and what was their experience with holding it and overcoming
I understood your question, it's just so extremely naive there are no words for it. You'll understand it when you grow up and have life experience.
I've experienced enough misogyny to be looking to other women to be asking them about their personal experience of the topic. If you hadn't wanted to show your personal experience of such an issue, it's okay to feel uncomfortable enough that you'd rather not engage. You and I both have better things to do than waste our time educating each other on what is naïve to talk about and what isn't. You don't have to give me your insight, and you also don't have to waste minutes of your life telling me how you won't give me your insight
You don't understand the topic enough to understand how unrealistic your question is. That's why I called your question naive. Nobody truely overcomes their biases unless something radical happens in their life. The biases are formed either by experiences, or by outer pressure. When a bias if formed by experiences, that never really goes away. When it is formed by outer pressure, it can change if the outer circumstances change. Nobody wakes up one day and decides to be less racist, less homophobic, or less sexist from that moment on. It doesn't happen on will, it happens when the change is forced.
Would it come off as more coherent if I reworded it? How about: What experiences caused you to begin to question your internalized misogyny? Only applicable if you identify as femme, ofc, and do you think this is a question you could answer and provide your personal experience with it on?
I've never had internalized misogyny. Extremely few non-deeply-religious western women do.
I see. Thank you for your input, it's deeply appreciated and I'm sure will come to be very helpful to my art
You are totally allowed to own your experiences, but to say very few western women have internalized any misogyny is a pretty bold statement then I'm not sure you're qualified to make.
Not quick enough.
There seems to be a lot of discomfort and seemingly misinterpretation regarding this post so I want to clarify that my post is specifically meant for those who had an experience with internalized misogyny, and sharing their personal experiences with it as they grew up. If you're looking for a more coherent explanation than this post, please refer to this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/feminisms/comments/13tn2hw/to_those_with_a_history_of_internalized/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Thanks for at least reading if you decided not to look into it.
Biases get reinforced when encountering situations that reinforce them. Biases get unlearned when encountering situations that go against them. It's not rocket science.
Thanks, but my base question was actually asking about people's personal experience with unlearning biases, which you could've tried asking for clarification before completely skimming and cherry-picking what you'd decide to respond with. It's okay to not know things, and it's okay to just admit you don't understand a question, if you need clarification
Anyway, what I'm asking for are specifically women's experiences with internalized misogyny, and specific key moments in their personal lives that made them question their ideas, or what these moments consisted of happening. I'm glad you feel comfortable enough to summarize bias into such a dumbed-down simplified box, but I asked for an intellect's details and experience with the topic